In this episode Julia Gillard sits down with former New Zealand Prime Minister Dame Jacinda Ardern.Jacinda was just 37 years old when she was elected Prime Minister, and a few months later became the second leader in history to give birth while in office, when she welcomed her daughter Neve.This year Jacinda published her memoir - A Different Kind of Power - an aptly named book for someone who always pushed back against stereotypes and assumptions about what leadership is, and asked the question, what if kindness came first? In this conversation Julia and Jacinda discuss their experiences as women leaders, Jacinda’s journey to the Prime Ministership and what life looks like for her now post-politics.Show notes:A Different Kind of Power is published by Penguin and is available at all good bookstores. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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