Both major political parties think Australia needs to spend more on defence in an increasingly uncertain world. But what is the threat we have to be ready for?Our listener, Eric, asked us about defence funding and whether boosting it can be justified when so many Australians are struggling to get by. Today, Sam Roggeveen, director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program on whether Trump’s America is a reliable ally and why he thinks the Australian continent can be protected without breaking the bank. Featured: Sam Roggeveen, director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program

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