Accidental Gods

Walking the wild, mythic Edge of Being with visionary elder and soul initiator Bill Plotkin

05 Nov 2025

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What is the true vow of your life, the one it would kill you to break? This phrase comes from the poem 'All The True Vows' by David Whyte, but there can be no better introduction to this week's guest, who knows how to help people - ordinary, every-day people from our culture - build true, heart-felt connections with the web of life such that we come to know what we are here for, our unique gift to the world, the promise is would kill us to break, what it feels like to be so heart-explodingly in love with the sheer wonder of being alive that we can step out of the world we thought we knew, into the world as it really is, alive with connection to all parts of ourselves, each other and the whole of the more than human world. Bill Plotkin is one of those who has found what he's here for. He's been a Thrutopian activist and cultural catalyst since long before those were buzzwords in our firmament. Over the years, he has been a research psychologist, professor of psychology, psychotherapist, rock musician, and whitewater river guide. Now, I would say he is a visionary, a mystic and an elder. More importantly, he's a map-maker, a way-breaker, a trail-leader of the routes we will have to take to walk out of this moment of dissolution, into a world of remembering and creating anew. Back in the early 80s, Bill founded the Animas Valley Institute, whose central purpose is to assist people through the initiatory process that leads to visionary leadership and cultural artistry. Its primary work is with those ready to undergo the joys and challenges of the underworld descent to soul, which flowers into a life of meaningful service and abundant fulfilment — or a deepening for those already on the journey.In other words, Animas Valley Institute supports people in our culture to find what they're here for, to undergo, in his words, the journey of soul initiation. To embark on this journey requires that people break out of the perpetual early adolescence of modernity and endure the ecstatic initiations of late adolescence and that eventually result in true adulthood and perhaps, for a few, genuine elderhood. Bill offers maps and models for his work in depth and detail. He has four books to date and I encourage you to read them all in order from Soulcraft: Crossing into the Mysteries of Nature and Psyche, through Nature and the Human Soul, to Wild Mind and finally, The Journey of Soul Initiation. He writes a blog, Soulcraft Musings, which I also recommend, because we could have explored the basics of Bill's models of human evolution and what it means for people of our culture, who have been subject to what he calls 'systemic human developmental oppression' for many hundreds of generations… and in the long conversation that follows, we did explore the basics of this, but in the days before recording, Bill shared the early draft of a paper called 'A Map to the Next World' and this lit all kinds of fires in my heart and mind and soul—because Bill's capacity to write lucidly the things this podcast is all about is beautiful and sharp and perfect. He writes: 'We need a map to the next world because our current world is clearly in its death throes…We need a map to the next world, a way to navigate the long trail from here to cultures that we will be proud to leave for the future ones — of all species. And nature, as always, including human nature, provides this map, or at least templates for creating one. And we need to translate the map into a contemporary language that we can understand — and act on — even though the journey is necessarily through realms of great mystery. We won’t find our way using the maps of other peoples or of other times. We must make our own map.'As and when his paper on the Map becomes available, I'll put it in the show notes. In the meantime, I have included the poem by David Whyte, because truly, it is one of the guiding lights of our movement, and I've included Joy Harjo's poem, also called 'A Map to the Next World' both as a YouTube recording of her speaking it, and the poem, and the book of the same name from which it came. Please do explore these. And now, let's head into the ways we can change our world, with Bill Plotkin. LinksAnimas Valley Institute https://www.animas.org/Soulcraft Musings (https://www.animas.org/books/bill-plotkins-soulcraft-musings/Bills Books Soulcraft: Crossing into the Mysteries of Nature and Psyche (an experiential guidebook), Nature and the Human Soul: Cultivating Wholeness and Community in a Fragmented World (a nature-based stage model of human development through the entire lifespan), Wild Mind: A Field Guide to the Human Psyche (an ecocentric map of the psyche — for healing, growing whole, and cultural transformation)The Journey of Soul Initiation: A Field Guide for Visionaries, Evolutionaries, and Revolutionaries (an experiential guidebook for the descent to soul). AG #302 The Crisis and the Call with Sara McFarland https://accidentalgods.life/the-crisis-and-the-call-journeys-through-species-wide-soul-initiation-with-sara-mcfarland/David Whyte 'All The True Vows' https://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/Poets/W/WhyteDavid/AllTrueVows/index.htmlDavid Whyte website https://davidwhyte.com/Joy Harjo 'A Map to the Next World' on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ab9vOC4PoJoy Harjo 'A Map to the Next World' text https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49621/a-map-to-the-next-worldJoy Harjo 'A Map to the Next World' book https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/a-map-to-the-next-world-poems-and-tales-joy-harjo/b45e39c2525e82e5Joy Harjo website: https://www.joyharjo.com/The Parable of the Tribes by Andrew Bard Schmookler https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-parable-of-the-tribes-the-problem-of-power-in-social-evolution-second-edition-andrew-bard-schmookler/7823092What we offer: Accidental Gods, Dreaming Awake and the Thrutopia Wr...

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