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Chapter 1: What episode of 'The Love Boat' do Adam and Dr. Drew discuss?
Throwback episode 1694, entitled, He Was Nothing, from March 16th, 2023. Enjoy.
Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to... The Adam and Dr. Drew Show.
Yeah, get it on. Got to get on the show. Dr. Drew for fizz, flop, flop, fizz, fizz. Oh, what a relief it is. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Speaking of ancient commercials. I think I watched the Love Boat episode yesterday that you were watching when I called you, where Julie McCoy's getting into some weird situations. It was so uncomfortable, that whole episode.
Is it the one where the girl's trying to get Julie's job by seducing the captain? Seducing, well... Sort of the captain. I don't know what the hell it is. Yeah, well, they had... God, I was trying to remember... Again, Princess Cruises. And I don't know. Maybe Gary can look this up. But it maybe didn't even exist back then. But there is something called script approval. Right.
And you can do a fictitious basketball team or a fictitious baseball team. But if you want to... do a story and you want the New York Yankees logo to be on it, the New York Yankees are going to go, well, what's going on in this episode? I don't want you making us look bad, you know?
And the, the, the thing that was crazy about that time is that the beginning it's doc and go for an Isaac, like standing around and they're like, and Julie, the cruise director's like, well, there's a new trainee on board and we got to show her the ropes. And they're like, Oh, Wait a minute. Her? Let me at her. And they're all, like, jockeying. Yes, fighting each other.
I'm going to bed her before you. She's a trainee for the cruise line. And, by the way, 35 years younger than Doc, 40 years younger than you. A beautiful, nubile young woman is coming onto the ship to train, and they're all arguing over who gets to bang her. Which...
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Chapter 2: How does the storyline of 'The Love Boat' reflect societal attitudes?
Now, what it says is because this is ubiquitous and just went on, it was basically it's like this. It's like if you took somebody from the 50s and you just parked them at the United Lounge at the airport and they just pulled out a cigarette and lit it up and people run at him and go, what are you doing? And he'd be like, what are you doing? I'm smoking a cigarette.
I don't know why everyone's not smoking, but what's your thing? And they go, sir, that's illegal. He'd be like, what? No, it's not. You want a cigarette? No, we're going to arrest you for it. was smoking a cigarette? This is insane. They couldn't even process their mind around it.
So this kind of stuff was just so ubiquitous and so baked into the culture that even though you're running Princess Cruise Lines, you're like, oh, this is a funny storyline. Everyone's trying to fuck... The young trainee. And there's even an undercurrent. And the doctor. He's like, come on over to my cabin. I'll examine your body. And they're like, doc, you know what? What am I supposed to do?
That's a doctor for your cruise line. Yeah, with a 20-year-old something female. Right, who's an employee of yours. And you're the senior officer over her. Well, she's responsible. Now we're talking about stooping, but I'm. But I think those guys have stuff on their shoulders. I mean, they're. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Much higher rank than she is.
But Doc apparently played it. Bernie Koppel, who plays Doc, played a different character in the film Love Boat 2.
It was a film.
Well, there were three films before the series. Oh, dude. Feature films?
No, no. Made for TV. Oh, okay. We have to find these and look at them because this should be like a treasure trove of culture. But do you remember when Bill Cosby was – they had pulled out an old interview with him talking about a – What was the aphrodisiac men used to be preoccupied with? Spanish fly. Spanish fly.
And I think baked into the love boat story is this sort of – it's a magical love boat where women lose themselves and can't control themselves. And they're expressing their natural sexuality that is repressed by the man. Remember all that bullshit?
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Chapter 3: What insights does Dr. Drew share about narcissism and victimhood?
And I think baked into the story was some of that, that these were – enlightened individuals who are allowed to express themselves. You know what I mean? It was so fucked and upside down and stuff. Because men were being encouraged to be aggressive with women to help them because they were being repressed by the man. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. You wonder why Adam and I hated the 70s.
Think about it now that everybody's sort of thinking about these topics. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was... Also, they did this goofy skit where Gopher was impersonating Captain Steubing's voice. They just laid his voice over him. Yeah. I know. It's just so cartoon. It's just a cartoon. You can't even look at it with any seriousness. I'll tell you the best part, though, of that episode.
And you may have missed it. I'm thinking about the different stories that were going. Steve Allen was a pretty crazy story. Steve Allen. At the time. And now it's hard to tell in Love Boat years because people looked older. They dressed appropriately. The hairstyles were of that. But Steve Allen, I mean, Gary, what year was Steve Allen born?
Chapter 4: How do victimhood movements impact individual identity?
That episode's from 1980. Steve Allen looked like he was 63. Oh. Right? Well, according to year 63. I mean, he looked like he was 75.
Correct. Steve Allen was born the day after Christmas, 1921.
Right, so he was only 59 or something when he did that. But he looked like he was 60-something years old. And what struck me was not just that he looked so much older, but he looked so deconditioned. Like his arms were the size of my fingers, and he was sort of dumpy looking. Yeah, just kind of paunchy. Yeah, like he'd never run or lifted a weight in his life.
And he had kind of weird comb-overs and stuff like that and glasses. Yeah. He runs into 22-year-old Lonnie Anderson. She can't control herself. She can't control herself with him physically. They would always do that. And so what would happen is they'd be alone in the cabin and the guy would be like, I'm thinking about my wife.
And she'd be like, come on, take that kerchief off and let me pour you a drink. And she's like rubbing him and stuff. And he's like, just slow down. Let's get to know each other a little bit. Lonnie Anderson wasn't even Lonnie Anderson back then because she had not established herself.
In what world does that smoking piece of ass find this dumpy middle-aged guy and is literally attempting to rape him in his cabin? That picture is from this particular episode, Gary, we're talking about. Yes. That was the conceit as well. What would happen... But that's that Spanish fly thing that males were preoccupied with.
The guys would get into a little dust-up with their wife and go like, well, I'm going to go sit on this side of the ship. And then some piping hot 22-year-old would come by in a bikini and go, is this lounge chair taken? And he'd go, I guess not. Well, shall I order drinks for both of us? And at some point they'd be back in the cabin and she'd be physically attacking him. Assaulting him.
And he'd be like pushing her off.
Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What are the psychological implications of cancel culture?
Yeah, in one of every four episodes that happens, at least. All right, that tape that you wanted to play that you sent me. The narcissism tape, speaking of all this stuff. Do you want to do that business first? No, I want to hear the tape first. All right, so I asked Gary to put it up. It's a four-minute tape. You're probably going to want to hear the first three minutes. One minute, rather.
I was messing around on TikTok, and I came upon this guy. His TikTok handle is at narcissism with Vakinin, V-A-K-I-N-I-N. And I'm always interested. There's a lot of information on TikTok. I listen to the physics things and I listen to some of the financial stuff and I listen to some of the psychologists that get in there, the interpersonal psychologists, whole lane of that too.
But this guy looks to me like an old school sort of psychoanalyst. And he starts out and I thought, oh, this guy is spot on and does it in a really concise way. And it's stuff you and I talk about all the time, Adam, and it's important for people to understand this. I've been screaming about this for years and years now, but here we are.
What are your views on such things as cancel culture and the whole woke movement and trying to keep all narratives politically correct? What's your view on this? Where is this leading us? It's not my view. It's the view of clinical psychology. In the past few years, we have begun to study victimhood movements and the psychology of victimhood movements.
So we have, for example, studies by Gabay, G-A-B-A-Y, and allies. Four massives conducted mainly in Israel. We have studies in British Columbia. It's more than Alzheimer's for you. What we're beginning to find is that certain people are prone to adopt victimhood as an identity. Their victimhood is their identity. Their victimhood endows their life with meaning, makes sense of the world.
So it's an organizing principle. They would seek to be victims, even in situations where they would not have been victimized otherwise. When they are not victimized, they push you to victimize them. This is called projective identification. And so there is something called TAV. TAV is a new psychological code. describing these kind of people.
You can see these people online, for example, in the impacts movement and other nonsensical labels. where these people are actually very narcissistic, very grandiose, extremely aggressive, lacking in any kind, and yet they claim that they have been victimized all their lives because they are super empathic, and they are sensitive, and they are proud of their victimhood.
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Chapter 6: How is the January 6th Capitol event portrayed in media?
They compete with each other. My abusing was much worse than your abuser. No, my abuse was unprecedented. I understand that you were abused. I'm sorry for you, but my abuse was much worse. It's identity politics. becomes identity politics.
A separate set of studies in Canada and elsewhere has shown that very fast, very soon, within usually two to three years maximum, victimhood movements such as MeToo, Black Lives Matter and so on, get hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths. So the infiltration of narcissists and psychopaths is universal in all these victimhood movements and they become the public face of the movement.
Victimhood movements are more one of the most threatening and pernicious developments. There is a sociologist by the name of Campbell, and he said that we have transitioned from the age of dignity to the age of victimhood. It's very dangerous because if you are a perennial victim, if this is your identity, You are determined by your victim. You would tend to develop attendant behaviors.
For example, you would tend to feel entitled to special treatment. And if you don't get the special treatment, you will become aggressive. And this is the irony. This was first described by Kauffman. There's a guy called Kauffman. And he described what he called the drama triangle. And he said abusers, the drama triangle includes abuser, victim, and rescuer or savior.
But he said these roles are not fixed. When the victim is not gratified by the rescuer, she becomes an abuser. And when the abuser witnesses the behavior of the rescuer, he tries to be the rescuer. So everyone cycles. What I'm trying to say is that the potential for aggression and even violence in victimhood movements is much larger than in the general population.
And even I would go as far as saying that it's equal to psychopathic movements. For example, the Nazi movement. Of course, the Nazi season was a victim of war. Nazis presented themselves as victims of the Versailles Agreement, of the World Order. Germany was discriminated against. And look where it led. Similarly, communism was a victimhood movement.
The proletariat was exploited by the landowners and by the industrialists and so on. We need to redress grievances. Anything that is grievance-based leads to violence and death. End of story. All death cults started as victimhood movements. ISIS is no exception.
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Chapter 7: What critiques do Adam and Dr. Drew have about current narratives?
So it's dangerous.
There you go. I've been screaming that this victimhood thing is the most dangerous thing. It's the worst thing you can do for an individual or a group. I've been screaming about this for 20 years. Yeah. And we're now there. And the scariest part is the politicians and the news outlets have figured it out and just went, oh, good. We'll get some votes and hammer some checks. Right.
They made a business model out of gratifying this. Yes, like the Obamas. That's now the business model. That's sad, dangerous, pernicious. I agree. There's not anything he said that's not 100% correct. Right. I don't. And every third speech Joe Biden gives, he talks about white supremacy as being the biggest problem. And he gave a speech a week ago where he's like, people were lynched.
A lot of people would like to do that now. It's like, shut down. Would you already? It's not helping. And what do you mean a lot of people or some people would still like to lynch people in 2023? He can't stop. He can't stop himself at every turn just stoking this fire. And, you know, Oprah, Michelle Obama, everyone in Hollywood, they never stop. It's crazy. A couple things here. Dangerous.
Mostly disgusting and sort of despicable, just sort of like, oh, please, yuck. Well, but he pointed out they've become violent. Yes. Very, very careful. And number two, that the psychopaths and the narcissists take over and become the forward facing image of these things.
And the other thing is that he left out one little piece, which was that because of the lack of empathy and the narcissism, envy becomes the ruling feeling. And so they're not trying to build anybody up. They're trying to tear people down. That is an extremely destructive feeling. Here's my unique ability, Drew.
My unique ability is to look at things and go, this is not right, this is bad, and this is going to have long-term negative effects. And then everyone else looks at me and goes, what are you talking about? What's wrong with you? Well, let's drill into it. Let's drill into it. Why are you able to see that, do you think, with such clarity?
Because you've been right on so many things, and you usually don't have a dynamic explanation, right? No. You're not going into the kind of detail of this guy. You just know it to be problematic, that it goes to a bad place. Yes. And what's informing you? Where do you think you get that? I'm not informed. I'm so neutral that I'm able to make decisions that are not clouded. Yeah, I know that.
That's clouds. So you're able to see something with clarity. And so what I'm asking is, what is that something?
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Chapter 8: What conclusions do they draw about societal changes and victimhood?
I don't see anything. I have a mind that is not filled with tons of preconceived notions or biases. I'm just sort of buoyant and I can go in any direction. I'm not I'm not tethered. I agree with – I think you're cutting yourself short a little bit. But there's something about human behavior that you instinctively get and morality and sort of right and wrong too.
Both simultaneously are sort of feeding into these impressions. And what's the other thing you always say? Measuring or pattern, pattern recognition. But the pattern recognition you're bringing in is from previous experience about people and morality.
Right.
I don't know. I just know that I've always been sort of inclined to think about, you know, motivation and patterns and people and that kind of stuff. And I'm also very keen to pick out bad ideas early. And this is never going to work. You know what I mean? Because you understand people. Well, I... Well, yeah, I understand...
I understand that if you really just think about it, I mean, circling back to my 10-year-old argument with Gavin Newsom, I don't know at the time, 10 years ago, I don't know anything about the homeless population. I don't know anything about homeless statistics. I don't I don't you know, I was fed, you know, steady died of, you know, the person, the factory closed down and they got their.
house foreclosed and they got divorced and now they're sleeping on the street i was sort of agnostic about those those narratives it was like yeah okay factory i guess fell on hard times you know but then what i do is i don't really deconstruct something from that position it's more like What would it take for a normal, gainfully employed person who is stripped of all of their belongings?
You no longer have income. You no longer have use of an automobile or a credit card. What would it take for that person to go lie down on a concrete sidewalk and in a box and go to bed on Ventura Boulevard underneath a sign that's flashing all night? What would it take to get that person to do that? And do I know any of those people?
And I've known drug addicts and people have fallen on hard times and had their issues with substances and everything else. What would it take? My dad, when my parents got divorced, moved into a closet in his in-law's house. In the middle of their living room or something, right? Yeah, there was a small... I mean, not small. It was a walk-in...
It'd be the kind of room where you'd go, is this a room or is it a closet? I don't know. It's not really big enough to be a room, but no one had a walk-in closet. In our world, closets had the wooden dowel and you slid the door open. There was no such thing as a walk-in closet. So it was like, well, how could it be a closet if you walk into it?
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