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Against The Odds

WW II Nurses Turned Prisoners of War | The Devil You Know | 3

21 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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A listener note.

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Against the Odds uses dramatizations that are based on true events. Some elements, including dialogue, may be invented, but everything is based on research. United States Navy nurse Dorothy Still mends a torn mosquito net in her lap. It's July 1942. She's sitting on a rickety bench in a courtyard at Santo Tomas College in Manila, Philippines.

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The school has been converted into a prisoner of war camp by the occupying Japanese army. A drop of Dorothy's sweat rolls down her neck. Even though the bench sits in the shade of a tree, it's searing hot. Other prisoners huddle nearby. Most live in a cluster of shanties 100 yards away.

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There aren't enough classrooms at Santo Tomas to house all the prisoners, so hundreds of captives have had to build these shelters using scraps of wood and tin. Suddenly, a commotion makes Dorothy look up from her sewing. She sees a barefoot Filipino man sprinting toward the camp's gate. Five Japanese soldiers are close on his tail. They tackle him right as he reaches the gate.

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The man thrashes and kicks at the dirt, but he can't free himself. A moment later, Dorothy sees the camp's commandant, Sadaki Kanishi, strut up. It's not even noon, but he's already sipping from a bottle of sake. Kanishi screams in Japanese and points at the tree Dorothy is sitting under. The guards pick up the man and drag him toward her.

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As they approach, Dorothy recognizes the man as a vendor who enters the camp every day to sell mangoes. Dorothy grabs her sewing and stands to leave the courtyard. She wants no part of whatever's coming. She's barely taken a step when Kanishi screams again. Two guards rush up to her, blocking her path. One speaks a little English.

Chapter 2: What challenges did Navy nurses face in Santo Tomas camp?

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You will stay and watch this man's punishment. What did he do? The guard shrugs as he herds Dorothy a few yards away to join the other prisoners. Dorothy's heart races as she watches as two other guards tie the venter to the tree. The man looks around wild-eyed. Kanishi utters a command, and the guards start punching the man. They work their way up his torso, inch by inch.

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Kanishi stalks around them, barking orders. By the time they get to the vendor's face, Dorothy can't watch anymore. She turns away, but a guard standing behind her grabs her. He grunts and points, insisting she watch. She winces as the guards continue to pummel the vendor relentlessly. After what feels like an eternity, they finally stop.

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The Filipino man is slumped, his body limp against the tree. His face is a mask of blood, but he's still breathing. Dorothy shifts her weight on her feet, waiting for the guards to leave so she can try to help him. But Kanishi yells to his guards, thrusting his hands, pantomiming a stabbing motion. The guards near the vendor hesitate, which only enrages Kanishi more.

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He drops his bottle of sake into the dirt, grabs the guard's rifle, and stabs the man in the gut with a bayonet. The vendor bellows in pain. Dorothy flinches at the sound. Kaneshi strides off, bottle in hand. The guards untie the man from the tree and haul him away. Dorothy feels dizzy and nauseous.

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She still doesn't know why this man has been punished so severely, but she realizes that's the point. Kanishi wants them to know that anyone can be beaten at any time, for any reason at all.

272.15 - 272.43 Dorothy Still

Yes, December.

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From Audible Originals, I'm Cassie DePeckel, and this is Against the Odds. In the early days of World War II, a group of American Navy nurses serving in Manila learned that Japan had taken control of the Philippines. They were jailed in a Japanese POW camp called Santo Tomas and had no idea when or if they'd be rescued by American forces.

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By 1943, a year into their imprisonment, the conditions at Santo Tomas had grown more and more difficult. The camp was overcrowded and rations were cut, and the commandant subjected the prisoners to increasingly harsh punishments. Desperate to get out, the nurses made a risky gamble, but they soon realized that they may have made a grave error. This is episode three, The Devil You Known.

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Nurse Mary Rose Harrington flips through a book while picking at her lunch. It's the same lunch as it is every day in Santo Tomas prison camp, a bowl of rice gruel. It's September 1942. Harrington sits with her fellow nurse, Edwina Todd, in a shanty behind the machine shop that's been turned into the infirmary.

Chapter 3: How did the nurses decide to transfer to Los Baños camp?

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She grew up in the Philippines, so she knows a variety of local remedies. And today, she's teaching the other nurses. She peels the onion and slices it. Then she drops some into a beer bottle glass and pounds the slices with a blunt dowel to free the juice. Once she has an inch in the bottom, she drops in a sugar cube and crushes it. She holds up the cloudy solution.

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Have patients with coughs gargle this. I know it sounds strange, but it works. After this, Stuart holds up the leaves from one of the guava trees around campus. Do you see the ridges? That's how you know it's guava. Brew them into tea. It's very good for dysentery. She shares other tricks. Sap from rubber trees can keep bandages in place.

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Stringy fibers from banana leaves can be woven into mosquito nets and pillowcases. To fill the pillows, they can use fluff from the seed pods of kapok trees. By the time she wraps up, Steward realizes she's been speaking for an hour. The other nurses applaud. Steward blushes. She wishes her husband Jerry could see her.

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She's never been certain where she stands with the Navy nurses, being a civilian and the only Filipina among all these Americans. But today, she feels proud. Chief nurse Laura Cobb hears a knock on the infirmary door and braces herself. She's fearful of the confrontation she expects to occur. She's worried things could even get violent.

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She opens the door to find the medical officer for the local garrison of Japanese troops, who are stationed a few miles from Los Banos. He sent word he wanted to see Cobb today. She doesn't hold the officer, whose name is Shigeru, in high regard. He freely admits he knows nothing about medicine. He comes from a rich family and simply wanted an easy job in the army.

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So every few days, he stops by to see Cobb with a list of ailments his soldiers are suffering from. He expects her to write down remedies. As usual, Shigeru starts with pleasantries. He's spent time in the United States and speaks English well. You look lovely today, Miss Laura. How are you and your nurses getting along without Dr. Leach? Cobb sighs. It's August.

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Cobb and her crew have been at Los Banos for three months, and things seem to be getting worse every day. A few weeks ago, the U.S. government traded some Japanese captives to free Dr. Leach. Cobb was happy for him, but crushed for the camp to lose its only doctor. Now, the nurses have to provide all patient care on their own. And that's far from the only problem. The camp is bare bones.

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Los Baños doesn't even have a good sewer system. There's barely running water here. For basic hygiene, they had to build a latrine and a sluice to flush waste out. They were promised new clothing, but that never materialized either. Some of the nurses finally found a bolt of denim in an abandoned building on campus and sewed new outfits.

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They tore their dingy old uniforms into bandages for patients. Prisoners have also had to throw up rickety barracks just to house people because the population of Los Banos keeps growing. On one hand, Cobb is proud of all that the prisoners have done to make life here bearable. On the other hand, they shouldn't have to be so clever.

Chapter 4: How did the nurses cope with the lack of medical supplies?

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Shigeru bites his lip, wrestling with the decision. Okay, but if he dies, I'll shoot one of your nurses. Fine, now step aside. Nurse Dorothy, scrub in and get us set up. I'm going to summon a few more nurses to help. Dorothy stands there stunned. She glances at Shigeru, who glares at her, then walks over to the window. In a daze, Dorothy heads to a wash basin to clean her hands.

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How can Nance be so cavalier with a nurse's life? Even with Nance's tools and the medicine Cobb has been able to secure, the infirmary is a risky place to perform a surgery, but she has no choice but to help. The patient's life and hers are now in the doctor's hands.

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Nurse Dorothy Still lays out the surgical instruments on a stand next to the operating table, where an ailing Japanese man groans in pain. Dorothy knows that Dr. Dana Nance likes his instruments in a certain order. First, the scalpel, then the medical scissors, finally, the forceps and retractors. But Dorothy's hands are trembling so badly that she drops a scalpel onto the floor.

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Nance scowls at her. Dorothy tells herself to remain calm, but given the stakes here, it's hard. If this man dies during the operation, a nurse will be shot dead in retaliation. It's mid-September 1943, in the infirmary at Los Baños prison camp. 20 minutes ago, a Japanese medical officer named Shigeru burst in with a friend suffering from acute appendicitis.

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Nance insisted on operating and brought in two additional nurses, Mary Rose Harrington and Susie Pitcher. Shigeru also summoned someone, a guard with a rifle. Dorothy glances at him now and shudders. When everything is ready, Nance turns to Dorothy. Nurse Dorothy, put him under. Dorothy grabs a can of ether and sloshes some onto a rack.

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Its fruity smell fills the room as she places the cloth over the patient's mouth and nose. A minute later, he sinks into oblivion. As soon as he's under, Nance holds out his hand.

Chapter 5: What strategies did the nurses use to improve their situation?

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Scalpel. Dorothy passes him the scalpel and Nance slices into the man's torso in one smooth motion. Then Nance curses. He's bleeding more than he should be. Nurse Harrington, grab that gauze. We've got to staunch this. Mary Rose Harrington snatches the white cotton from the table and presses it into the incision to stem the flow of blood.

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Susie Pitcher jumps in to help her, but the gauze quickly turns bright red, soaked through with blood. Dorothy's mouth goes dry. Out of the corner of her eye, she sees Shigeru gesture to the guard with a gun. The guard moves his finger to the trigger. The room swims in front of Dorothy's eyes. She forces herself to breathe deep, but she's never been so terrified in her life.

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Finally, the bleeding slows. Nance snaps at Dorothy, forceps. The next few minutes pass quickly. Using the forceps, Nance locates the appendix and gently brings it up to the incision until it's sticking out. It looks like an angry red sausage, ready to burst. Nance barks for the scalpel. He hands the forceps to Mary Rose Harrington, who holds the appendix in place. Then Nance cuts it free.

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Harrington drops it into a small bin. Nance holds out his hand. Suture. Dorothy hands him a threaded needle. He sews up the incision. Then he looks up and nods. That's it. Nurses, good work. Nurse Dorothy, get some disinfectant on the wound and get him some fluids as soon as he wakes up. I'm going to wash up and take a nap. And with that, he leaves them.

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Behind her, Dorothy hears Shigeru talking with the guard, who turns and marches off. Shigeru looks over his unconscious friend closely, then glances at Dorothy. Take good care of him. Dorothy nods. When Shigeru finally leaves, Pitcher and Harrington hurry over to Dorothy. Harrington wraps her arms around the two women. We're going to be okay. Pitcher steps back. Are you all right, Dorothy?

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You don't look so good. I'll be fine. Really. Good work. But as Dorothy turns to find some disinfectant, she realizes how hollow her words sound. She's not fine. She's flushed and sweaty and exhausted. She doesn't know how much longer she can handle this kind of stress. And this new doctor isn't making things any easier.

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Nurse Dorothy Still descends the staircase of the infirmary at Los Baños, heading toward the basement.

Chapter 6: What were the living conditions like at Los Baños?

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She grips the railing, feeling a bit woozy. The only food they regularly get here is rice and sweet potatoes. There's very little protein or vegetables, and it leaves Dorothy feeling wobbly. Dr. Dana Nance keeps a small office in the basement. He glances up when Dorothy arrives. She wants to alert him to a few things before the night shift.

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There are three patients with erratic heartbeats, but malnutrition might be the real problem.

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Chapter 7: What was the significance of the Red Cross packages?

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Nance nods. It's January 1944, four months after Nance first arrived, and two years since the Japanese took control of the Philippines. After the appendix incident, Dorothy and Nance have grown to tolerate each other. He's a talented doctor, even if he can be brash. Dorothy is just about finished updating Nance when she hears someone shout her name. Nurse Dorothy, what the hell's going on?

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Dorothy turns to find her fellow Navy nurse, Helen Gorzelansky, hurrying down the staircase. She looks livid. She's holding something orange and mushy, and she stomps over and drops it in Dorothy's hands. Do you know what this is? It looks like a half-eaten papaya. Where did you get this? On Jimmy Callaghan's bedside table. Dorothy remembers him. He was admitted for dysentery last week.

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Fruits like papayas are the worst possible thing he could eat. A real danger. But Dorothy doesn't understand why Gorzelansky is so angry with her. I have no idea how he got hold of that. One of the orderlies you trained gave it to him. Dorothy cringes.

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A month ago, Dorothy approached chief nurse Laura Cobb about training men as orderlies to help with routine tasks like feeding patients and emptying bedpans. Dorothy did so because there are just too many prisoners arriving at Los Baños, including women and children. The infirmary is constantly full of patients. The nurses need help.

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Cobb approved the idea, and Dorothy agreed to teach the first class. Unfortunately, the orderlies have been making too many mistakes. Like last Thursday, when an orderly put iodine on a rash and caused chemical burns. Dorothy looks sheepishly at Gorzelansky. Which orderly? I'll talk to him. That's not the point. This is the fourth incident. Your poor teaching is endangering lives.

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Dorothy bristles at this. She instructed the orderlies properly. It's not her fault if they forget. Gorzelansky appeals to Dr. Nance, who shrugs. I'm not military, but hospitals also have a chain of command. This is on you, Dorothy. Dorothy fumes. It's the end of her shift anyway, so she storms upstairs without a word. Outside, she sees her boyfriend Thomas Terrell approaching.

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They had plans to meet up after her shift. He greets her with a kiss, but she's already grumbling. As they walk, she unburdens herself about the incident with Gorzelansky, as well as Nance's refusal to take her side. She's angry at those orderlies, too. Why can't they get things right? Thomas is a good listener, and as her frustrations pour out, she can feel herself relaxing.

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Thomas squeezes her hand. You know, my wife had a good trick for getting her way with stubborn co-workers. It's amusing, actually. He launches into a story, but Dorothy barely listens. She drops his hand and doesn't even pretend to be listening. Thomas never concealed the fact that he was married.

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In fact, he mentioned his wife the first time he met Dorothy, but that didn't stop him from pursuing her. And Dorothy willfully let herself be pursued.

Chapter 8: How did the commandant's behavior affect the nurses?

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She craved companionship. But every time he mentions his wife, it stabs her. The truth is, deep down, she's afraid she's fallen in love with Thomas. She wishes it weren't true, but there it is. She finally cuts off his story and thanks him for listening. And when he suggests, with a wink, that they find somewhere to watch the stars tonight, she says no. She needs her sleep. It's true.

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But she also knows that, even ten minutes ago, she happily would have said yes. And to her shame, she has no doubt she'll accept his offer another night. Back home, she remembered thinking once that women who took up with married men were so desperate. And now she's doing just that. It's just another way that camp life has changed her.

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Chief nurse Laura Cobb shuffles along the grounds of Los Banos. Her knees ache, but she's enjoying a rare afternoon off work. By her side, holding her hand, walks her boyfriend in the camp, a 66-year-old New Zealand Navy captain named Hugh Williams. Cobb knows that the other nurses gossip and giggle about her and Williams.

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While Cobb doesn't exactly like the attention, she's willing to tolerate it. It's a harmless distraction in a place where harmless distractions can be vital for morale. And she's certainly not giving up Seen Williams. It's August 1944, and Williams was recently transferred to Los Banos. He's broad-shouldered and handsome, and she loves watching him play with the children here.

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Williams pretends he was once a pirate on the high seas. He always has the kids roaring with laughter. It's a rare bright spot in Cobb's life. Because frankly, times at Los Banos are getting harder. Prisoners continue to arrive. The camp population is around 2,000 now. The nurses and Dr. Nance can barely keep up. To make matters worse, a new commandant is taking over this week.

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He's already sent word ahead that their rice and sweet potato rations will be cut by several hundred calories per day. The very thought leaves Cobb fuming on her walk. Who could be so cruel? We barely get enough to eat as is. Williams squeezes her hand. You need to take things easy, dear. Remember your heart. Come on, let's sit. He steers her to a bench. Cobb sighs.

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Williams is one of the few people she's admitted her medical issues to. Cobb's heart has been beating erratically and fluttering for a while now. She suspects it's cardiomyopathy, a weakening of the heart muscle. That would explain her regular shortness of breath. Her joints are sore as well. She fears she's getting arthritis from poor nutrition. On the bench, Williams massages her shoulders.

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It soothes her. After a few minutes, he kisses her cheek. I suppose we should head back. I fear the children are expecting another installment of the dead pirate Hugh tonight. Oh, don't pretend like you don't love it. Williams chuckles. As they're getting up, they hear a camp gate opening a hundred yards distant. Two fences circle the camp, both topped with barbed wire.

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The outer fence stands eight feet tall and is covered with bamboo, blocking the outside world. When the gate opens, it's a rare chance to glimpse the world beyond the camp. So Cobb and Williams hurry that way. Cobb suspects that more prisoners are arriving, but instead of a transport truck, a single car pulls up.

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