Health Law Career Journeys: Reflections on Fatherhood
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Hey everyone, welcome back to AHLA Speaking of Health Law. I'm Allie Dalton, a health care Mana lawyer at Bradley, and I'm also honored to serve as the chair of AHLA's Early Career Professionals Council. And today's episode is a really special one. In honor of Father's Day, we are talking with two healthcare attorneys who have built remarkable and more importantly, enjoyable careers while also navigating one of life's most meaningful roles, being a dad. While chat about career growth and mother and modern fatherhood and the lessons they've learned along the way. We're thrilled to welcome Dougie Barnard of Hall Render and Travis Lloyd of Bassbury and Sims. Thank you both for being here today.
Thank you, Allie. Thank you.
Well to start things off, I'd love for each of you to share a little bit about your career journey, how you found your way to health law, what your practice looks like day to day, and what season of life you're in, both professionally and personally. Travis, do you want to kick us off?
Sure, happy to. Um I'm a partner of Asparian Sims in Nashville. Um I focus on healthcare regulatory matters, a lot of Broaden abuse issues, a lot of reimbursement issues. I spend most of my time with hospitals and health systems. Um Yeah, that's that's what I that's that's my comfort zone. Um that that's what I like doing. Um I guess I my path to health law I I actually went to law school thinking that I would help uh starving artists protect their rights and their corporates. Um I think it took me longer than it probably should have to realize that wasn't um the most viable path for me and that fundamentally it wasn't most interesting thing to me. Um What was interesting to me was just sort of the heavily regulated industries, healthcare in particular.
Um, I had a really good health law professor in law school. I also did a master of public health degree and that really just cemented that healthcare was where I I wanted to to spend my career. Um On the personal side, I have two daughters, a rising second grader and a one year old. So I'm still in that early stage. Um that season of life where Um, every week feels like a year and every year feels like a week. Um, but life is full and fast and I'm just very grateful for it.
Love it. Thanks, Travis. Dougie, what about you? Tell us a little bit about more about your practice and your family.
Yeah. So in law school, I knew that I wanted to practice real estate law and began my career doing that, but was not exclusively in the healthcare space. So I can thank Hall Render for giving me the opportunity to jump headfirst into the healthcare space. And so I'm a real estate associate at Hall Render in the Indianapolis office. And over the past few years, since joining Hall Render is a I've got Tried to get up to speed as much as possible on some of the regulations. And I'm sure Travis could help fill in some of those knowledge gaps for me if I ever have any questions. So that's been an enjoyable experience for me. And in terms of the family side of things, similar to Travis, we have an infant, and um, so she's our youngest, and then we have an older who's a toddler.
So we are in that young early stages, still figuring things out. Um dumb enough to think that we have it all figured out and then humbled every day to see that we still don't.
Love it. Yes, I can definitely relate on that piece. I'd love to kick off the conversation on fatherhood in light of this being a podcast celebrating Father's Day.
How did Travis and Dougie first get into health law and what does their daily practice look like?
What surprised you the most about parenthood, Dougie?
I would say for me and I do want to start out by just first saying that my wife is a rock star. And so I'm gonna be speaking a lot about my experiences as as a father, but I do want to give her her flowers that are well deserved. So it's it's great to have a team and I appreciate everything that she does. And in terms of what surprised me about fatherhood, I would say before having kids, I had no idea the amount of work.
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:05–3:51
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How did Travis and Dougie first get into health law and what does their daily practice look like?
3:51–17:29
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What surprised each of them most about becoming a parent?
17:29–33:26
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How do modern dads differ in day‑to‑day parenting and workplace involvement?
33:26–40:56
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