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AI Haven't A Clue

Spotify Declare WAR on AI, an 'AI First' Military and GOBLINS GOBLINS GOBLINS

08 May 2026

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Transcript generated automatically by AI and may contain errors.

Chapter 1: Why does AI seem to increase our workload instead of reducing it?

0.335 - 20.655 George Butler

Coming up on AI Having a Clue. Why do you say it like that, people like you? If you're listening to real humans, I'm listening to a load of AI rock music. What's that about? Technological Luddite. It's heating up in the courtroom. It got me thinking during Devil Wears Prada 2 slightly more than I actually thought it was. Spotify is clamping down on AI.

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23.521 - 29.849 James Chandler

And we're going goblin mode. This is a personal thing with Sam Altman.

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30.21 - 50.092 George Butler

I don't think he gives a... Hello, welcome to AI, having a clear podcast where we unpack the wild world of AI. I am tech novice, AI moron, George Butler. And... Here is Chief Goblin in Resonance, James Chandler.

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50.794 - 58.273 James Chandler

I like it more I'm bringing the cognitive dexterity to this podcast as the AI expert and enthusiast.

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58.754 - 62.303 George Butler

Did you get that from chat GPT or...

62.283 - 69.176 James Chandler

I just dreamed it up, you know, just using it as a sidekick, just using it as a sparring partner.

Chapter 2: What are the implications of Spotify's crackdown on AI-generated music?

69.637 - 74.046 George Butler

Your dreams are as boring as your chat roulette, chat GPT roulette searches.

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74.286 - 80.378 James Chandler

Oh, it's so bad. But you can never cheat. We've agreed that, right? You can't be skirting down the list. You've got to have the last one.

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80.538 - 87.449 George Butler

Your goblin impression was great. I was hoping you were going to do the whole show. As a goblin. That's not happening?

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87.469 - 106.449 James Chandler

Is that not on the cards? This is what AI is for, my friend. I mean, I'm not going to, you know, it's... We shall see. I did see this. I was sort of looking ahead, as I do, in being well prepared for the podcast. And I saw it and I thought, I bet he's going to do Goblins Explain AI.

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108.772 - 120.127 George Butler

Well... You know what? We're not this week, but that's a great idea. You know, like a bit of Lord of the Rings or like Harry Potter style goblin. That's quite fun.

Chapter 3: How is the Pentagon planning to implement AI in military operations?

120.207 - 144.626 George Butler

I like that. Let's add that to the list. Also, perhaps, Molly, we just like, we add an AI filter and we just turn James's voice into like a goblin voice. For the whole episode, yeah? At least the next sentence. Say something quite profound, James. I... Great.

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144.866 - 164.741 Unknown

Well, coming up on... It would have been a fun bit, but you know what? It's not always possible. You can't always get what you want. I'm not a performing seal. I can't ask for profound.

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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the feud between Elon Musk and OpenAI?

164.761 - 167.586 Unknown

I'm not chat GPT, buddy. You can't just punch in a prompt and expect a reply in six seconds.

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167.566 - 194.929 George Butler

Well, it worked quite nicely there. Thank you to AI for that goblin impression. Coming up on the podcast today, we're breaking down the latest news from the world of AI. James is bringing us his big thing. We've got a brand new listener question coming your way. Plus, no goblins, James. No goblins coming up. But... We will feature a legendary British comedy. Oh, Fawlty Towers? No? No.

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194.949 - 203.867 George Butler

I'm going to leave it at that. I'm going to tease you for now. Also, exciting news. Well, everyone listening can be the judge of whether it's exciting or not.

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203.847 - 231.151 George Butler

But we've got another episode coming out on Monday with a brilliant guest, Dr. Lauren Ingram, who's doing some incredible things in order to try and essentially upskill women across the UK to understand and be more enthusiastic and more involved in the world of AI. And that episode is going to be a standalone thing. That's going to happen on Monday. Two episodes a week?

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231.752 - 239.044 James Chandler

What's going on? You know, we're in the big leagues now. Welcome to big school. I thought we were in kindergarten. Graduate from that, mate. Come on. Come on.

239.284 - 244.673 George Butler

So pop that in your diaries. James, are you ready for the latest news?

244.693 - 268.752 James Chandler

Let me get something off my chest first. I saw, well, there's two things. So one, this brilliant article in The Guardian by Stuart Heritage. He's talking about the latest thing from chat GPT that's the dead giveaway that's been written by AI. You will know this instinctively. It's not em dashes. It's not rocket emojis, Oxford comma. It's the bit where it says it's not X, it's Y.

269.963 - 282.208 James Chandler

Have you noticed when it does that? It's so annoying. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. And go through your LinkedIn feed, look at the sort of the cold calling emails that you get. It is everywhere.

Chapter 5: What concerns arise from AI's role in journalism?

282.289 - 283.792 James Chandler

You cannot escape it.

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283.872 - 290.796 George Butler

So for example, it would be, it's not just the laughs. It's the meaning behind the humour in the route, that kind of thing.

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290.876 - 313.261 James Chandler

It just gives me... So that annoyed the hell out of me last week. The other thing is, as I was buying, I was looking to buy something very, very small from Wix and I was on their site and I just needed to know the depth of this, like it was a bar that goes on the floor, just mega easy. And they've got this Q&A where customers ask questions and basically Wix people go in and answer it.

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313.281 - 330.639 James Chandler

I thought they must be in there. Someone must have asked it before. I start looking through this forum of people asking questions. Every single question has been answered by Wix's AI customer service bot. The answers are so poor, you can give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down rating.

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331 - 349.927 James Chandler

Of the 30 questions that have been answered, 30 of the answers had been given a thumbs down rating because they're written by AI. It says at the bottom, oh, this has been constructed. It doesn't even answer the question. It just sort of reinforces some, it's just nonsense. It's a bit like Taco Bell. Something is going horribly wrong with customer service.

350.288 - 361.969 James Chandler

And I think somewhere on a spreadsheet at Wix, someone's gone, oh, we can save money on humans doing this. It is a disaster. And I went and bought it from B&Q in the end. So there you go. Lost $6.99 from me.

361.949 - 374.667 George Butler

This is the kind of the danger of companies rushing into an AI solution. Yeah, it's not always right. It's not always the right fit, is it? As you say, it can sometimes cause more damage than it's worth.

374.687 - 377.992 James Chandler

Yeah, worse. Shouldn't have done it. Anyway, that's all that off my chest. How was your week?

378.572 - 402.127 George Butler

I mean... I have no, but did you see, sorry, just a quick one on that final point. Did you see the McDonald's chatbot? They've been at it as well. Yeah, well, obviously it's there to kind of give people information on the calories in a Big Mac and help them with their questions about McFlurries. But somebody kind of was testing the chatbot's knowledge about coding.

Chapter 6: How are companies like Wix using AI for customer service?

1151.017 - 1162.783 George Butler

More on that coming. All right, let's stay in media now. A few more interesting media stories. Firstly, very quickly, we talked about Spotify last week having this big issue with AI music artists.

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1163.224 - 1185.349 George Butler

Funnily enough, James, just to show the impact of this podcast, clearly the leaders of Spotify are glued to what we have to say because, incredibly, over the last few days, they have released something which is going to help people distinguish between AI and real. Authentic. Verified humans.

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1185.99 - 1203.426 James Chandler

And guess what they've called it? Verified by Spotify. And it's going to do exactly that. Shared with us, I saw it on a friend of the show, Marcos Angelides' LinkedIn. Your favourite co-host. Um... Yeah, he was putting on there. So basically, green check mark. You will see who's authentic, who's actually human.

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1203.906 - 1222.744 James Chandler

And as we reported the other week, we've seen just this massive, massive surge of tracks that AI generated and this really careful balance that we felt Spotify needed to play. It looks like they've kind of come out of the blocks on this. This is a really, really good thing. There's a whole bunch of kind of criteria that artists that they're assuming of real life would need to meet.

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1222.764 - 1241.511 James Chandler

So they need consistent listener engagement. They need like a real world presence, which is obviously a pretty big giveaway if you're AI. So they've got to have concerts, they've got to have things like merch, they've got to be on social media. So I think good. I think applaud Spotify for this because I think they could have easily kind of sat on the fence. Does it do anything though?

1241.491 - 1260.529 George Butler

Yes, it's nice to have a verified tick. And yes, it means people will know that they are listening to a real human if they had a question about that. There's still the whole issue around AI tracks. It's not case closed here. It's a good thing to do, but it's far from a fix.

1260.509 - 1274.975 James Chandler

Yeah, but I always think with these things as well, like it's up to people what they want to listen to, you know, who are Spotify to tell people what they should and shouldn't listen to. So I think the kind of the labelling in this is the really important bit. And I think that's Spotify's role.

1274.995 - 1292.079 James Chandler

The clearer they can make things, people are, you know, pay a subscription or they see ads, they can make their own choices about what they want to listen to and if they want to listen to loads of AI stuff. Now, it's entirely clear if people, I imagine like you, want to listen to real life humans, then you can do that as well.

1292.399 - 1299.365 George Butler

Why do you say that? People like you, if you want to listen to real humans, I want to listen to a load of AI music.

Chapter 7: What are the potential costs of using AI tools like ChatGPT?

1367.758 - 1372.609 James Chandler

And yeah, there have been a whole bunch of layoffs by Disney at Marvel Studios.

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1372.729 - 1379.464 George Butler

And beyond, James, may I just add, across the business, they've kind of taken away thousands of jobs.

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1379.512 - 1397.292 James Chandler

We talked about Bob Iger, the previous CEO before. He was very progressive. He'd done a bunch of deals with AI companies. New CEO now. And this is kind of interesting what's happening here. I think the point that she's making, which I think is a fair one, is that all of the real artist work has been used to train the AI.

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1397.332 - 1414.691 James Chandler

And then as soon as they're, without their consent, I should say, and then as soon as they've kind of got what they want and sucked all the blood out, then they're kind of got rid of. That doesn't just doesn't feel like a fair deal at all. It'll be interesting to see how this ages. It'll be interesting to see who jumps on and supports it.

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1415.131 - 1417.954 James Chandler

But yeah, kind of interesting times at Disney and particularly Marvel at the moment.

1418.454 - 1437.632 George Butler

Yeah, I wonder if Evangeline Lilly will be working with Disney and Josh DiMario anytime soon. I've got a feeling not. Final one on acting. Oscars have announced AI actors and AI writing cannot win awards. This isn't particularly surprising, James, is it?

1437.848 - 1454.48 James Chandler

Well, neither it should be. And I think probably something like the Oscars is going to be held up as, you know, while the categories may progress and there may be room in one small category at some point for things that AI generated. Yet no surprise that you can't have AI featured up against humans.

1454.52 - 1473.154 James Chandler

This is a celebration of kind of human creativity, whether you're an actor, director, producer, whatever it is. whatever it might be performances must be demonstrably performed by humans scripts must be human authored to qualify for awards but interesting they've come out and made that super super clear so there's no ambiguity here

1473.657 - 1497.41 George Butler

Yeah, the only thing to note is the Academy did not ban AI entirely, so if it's used in the films in other areas, perhaps CGI, lighting, whatever it might be, films won't be punished and it won't hurt a film's chances of winning. So, yeah, I mean, there's almost an acceptance there that you're going to inevitably have AI in the making of a film now.

Chapter 8: What bizarre glitch did ChatGPT experience regarding goblins?

1861.481 - 1866.929 George Butler

If that's possible, maybe we'll just remain Brent-esque for the rest of this podcast. What's your big thing this week?

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1867.95 - 1888.921 James Chandler

The big thing is about subscriptions and LLMs, where at the moment you can pay about 20 quid and get some pretty nifty features for it. I don't think they're going to be around for that long. And effectively, I think we're going to get into the region of you can have a free version. You can get a bit better than free for about 20 quid.

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1889.161 - 1904.33 James Chandler

But if you want all the stuff that you basically get now, I think we're going to be in the range of people paying sort of 80, 100 pounds. 80 to 100 pounds? Yeah. A mate was talking to me about it and he likened it to almost the sort of sky sportsification of AI.

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1904.37 - 1924.73 James Chandler

You know, probably once upon a time where the idea of paying 100, 120 quid for loads of sky channels or just to watch the football was sort of unheard of. But people kind of accept it now and he thinks that's where we're going to get with AI. The cost of AI, as you know, is absolutely massive. All of the compute, you know, every query that you make is costing them money.

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1924.77 - 1945.038 James Chandler

The better the model is, the more it's costing those people to make. There's obviously updates, there's all the R&D that they're doing, there are data centres, there's energy that they've got to pay for. And don't forget, all of this is at massive, massive scale, particularly with some of the big ones like ChatGPT. So this is seriously heavy usage.

1945.098 - 1960.099 James Chandler

There is no doubt in my mind that the really heavy users of AI, the Phil Rowleys of this world, etc., they are absolutely costing Claude and ChatGPT and all the rest of them more than £20 a month to serve as a customer.

1960.079 - 1981.513 James Chandler

weirdly i was looking into this lighter users are a lot more profitable and enterprise ones with businesses even more so and it's actually the big enterprise deals that are probably subsidizing a lot of this consumer pricing so the sort of the mega users paying 20 quid but in effect you know they're getting hundreds and hundreds of pounds worth of value

1981.493 - 1999.675 James Chandler

The pricing at the moment is probably, you know, this happens with every technology, you know, the subscriptions are pretty low at the start. It's sort of the entry way in. It's the way they kind of get you in. You get used to the tech and then, you know, you want it kind of better. So you kind of go up through the tiers. The other route to kind of make money is probably the ads one.

1999.715 - 2016.034 James Chandler

The only ones we can see doing that at the moment is OpenAI. And, you know, it's still very much in test mode. It's not even come to the UK yet. I think it's going to be really, really interesting. And I don't see it being this kind of big thing. I think just gradually these prices are going to start to creep up.

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