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Amazon-OpenAI $10B Talks Gain Momentum

20 Dec 2025

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20 Dec 2025
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Amazon and OpenAI explore a $10 billion partnership to bolster generative AI capabilities. AWS infrastructure could underpin next-gen model training. Microsoft's response looms large in this development.Get the top 40+ AI Models for $20 at AI Box: ⁠⁠https://aibox.aiAI Chat YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JaedenSchaferJoin my AI Hustle Community: https://www.skool.com/aihustleSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Chapter 1: What is Amazon's $10 billion investment in OpenAI about?

0.031 - 19.416 Jaeden Schafer

Amazon is reportedly in talks with OpenAI to invest $10 billion into the startup. These are these kind of circular deals that we see being very popular today where essentially Amazon will invest $10 billion into OpenAI with kind of the understanding that OpenAI is going to turn around and spend those $10 billion on AWS for compute.

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19.696 - 37.562 Jaeden Schafer

This is good for both companies because OpenAI gets the $10 billion investment, which is amazing for them. And Amazon gets a chunk of the company, plus they get to mark up, you know, $10 billion in revenue to AWS when that money gets spent back. So it's kind of the money goes both ways.

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38.022 - 46.475 Jaeden Schafer

And with companies that are, you know, really heavily reliant on investors and the stock market, it's great for Amazon's stock price to say, look, we got another $10 billion.

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Chapter 2: How does this investment benefit both Amazon and OpenAI?

46.755 - 63.542 Jaeden Schafer

And it's great for OpenAI to say, look, someone invested another $10 billion into our company. It's interesting that the people investing money, though, are chip makers and anyone making hardware that OpenAI needs to buy, or data centers, people like Oracle. And then, of course, we have companies like Amazon with AWS and all of their web servers.

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63.682 - 81.471 Jaeden Schafer

So this is an interesting deal that seems to be more and more popular. We're going to break down the deal, who broke it, and what the sources are saying about all of this. Before we get into it, I wanted to mention, if you want to build... an AI tool or an app using AI, I'd love for you to try out my startup, which is called AIbox.ai.

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81.491 - 102.352 Unknown

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102.573 - 118.952 Jaeden Schafer

There's all sorts of really cool ideas that you can create over there. Go check out AIbox.ai. I'll leave a link in the description if you want to try out our new AI app workflow builder. All right, let's get into the story right now. So this was reported by CNBC and Bloomberg, who were both discussing this.

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119.333 - 135.864 Jaeden Schafer

The investment in OpenAI, this $10 billion investment from Amazon, would give it a valuation of $500 billion, almost half a trillion dollars as a private company This is absolutely phenomenal. And this is according to some quote-unquote anonymous sources who were familiar with the matter.

135.904 - 155.689 Jaeden Schafer

The information first broke news about this talk, and then Bloomberg dug in and got some interesting info on that final valuation. Right now, I think this potential deal shows that Amazon's really trying to broaden its exposure to AI and to the AI race. They've invested heavily into Anthropic, and now it seems like they're going straight for OpenAI.

155.669 - 175.079 Jaeden Schafer

And they've also already committed about $8 billion to Anthropic. So, you know, putting $10 billion into OpenAI, I'm not sure what Anthropic thinks about this because, you know, their $8 billion, it was kind of tranched out over many years. And then OpenAI is about to get a big, huge slab of $10 billion. But maybe Anthropic's got a tranche of money earmarked for it as well.

175.479 - 194.097 Jaeden Schafer

Because, of course, these two are direct competitors. And earlier this month, Amazon also introduced the latest version of their Tranium AI chips, and they also previewed the next generation, which I think is really making the point that Amazon and AWS is really focusing on their cloud ecosystem. They really want to be the place where AI companies train their models.

194.077 - 214.38 Jaeden Schafer

It's, it's interesting, too, because when we say AI companies, like a lot of people are like, well, you know, they're investing heavily in Anthropic and OpenAI, because they want to show everyone else that look, if we put all of this, you know, if the big companies like Anthropic and OpenAI are training on our, you know, with our training AI chips, and they're training on AWS, and they're using like our infrastructure, then everyone else is going to want to come over.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of Amazon's investment for the AI landscape?

214.36 - 233.297 Jaeden Schafer

What I think is also interesting to note here is there's only five or six players in this race that are is like that are these gigantic companies and Google is going to use all of their own stuff. Microsoft is going to use all of their own stuff. You have OpenAI and Anthropic who are obviously the, you know, far out and ahead. It seems like Grok and XAI are kind of trying to do their own stuff.

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233.277 - 248.958 Jaeden Schafer

So it's interesting because I think that argument is less of an argument for why they'll make these big deals. I don't think it's so much just so that, you know, everyone else wanting to train AI models will choose them. Because, like, OpenAI and Anthropic are such a massive part of the market. Like, sure, what?

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249.219 - 256.028 Jaeden Schafer

They want to, like, scoop up the other 40% of the market that isn't Anthropic and OpenAI and Google and Meta and...

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256.008 - 274.455 Jaeden Schafer

and and xai so like i just think i don't know if that's the exact reason i think they really truly do want a piece of opening i they want the circular deal where they were getting more money back into their ecosystem and it's going to boost their stock price this is just a couple months after opening i completed its uh transition to a for-profit company

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274.435 - 295.212 Jaeden Schafer

This is something that gives them a lot more flexibility to do capital raises that Microsoft doesn't have to approve of. I think this is one of the earliest backers and holders. They have a 27% stake. Microsoft is a 27% stake in OpenAI to date. So this Amazon investment would be pretty big. And it's also something that might only be possible now that they're...

295.192 - 311.43 Jaeden Schafer

private company or a for profit company, sorry, because now that Microsoft doesn't have kind of this controlling edge in the past, Microsoft was because the Microsoft's original deal where they gave them $10 billion way back in the day that kicked off this whole AI boom was, you know, they're buying a huge chunk of the company.

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And they said, we have to approve all future investments and where you're putting your money when it comes to compute and all of that kind of stuff. because Microsoft wanted to sort of be their exclusive with Microsoft Azure. Now, as it turns out, there wasn't enough compute and they needed a lot more resources.

325.952 - 347.068 Jaeden Schafer

They needed to spread things out and to, you know, put all their eggs in one basket with Microsoft. So they've kind of broken away from that. And now they're able to, you know, we see them training with a lot of different platforms, AWS being one of those. And Amazon investment right now, I think, is probably the latest example of this circular deal that we're seeing in the AI sector.

347.589 - 366.559 Jaeden Schafer

Essentially, in all of these arrangements, the huge cloud and hardware providers, they back the latest AI firms, and then those startups essentially commit to using their investors' data centers and chips to train their models. So this is what I think is going to be standard in this deal, although we don't have those specific details. You can imagine this is why it's happening.

Chapter 4: How does the circular investment model work in the AI sector?

376.296 - 394.288 Jaeden Schafer

That, of course, boosted CoreWeave's revenue, right, by $350 million. And in turn, the value of OpenAI's stake also increased because they were invested in the company. And then in October, OpenAI agreed to acquire a 10% stake in AMD and they committed to using its AI GPUs. But they also signed a chip agreement with Broadcom.

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394.409 - 419.533 Jaeden Schafer

Then a month later, OpenAI announced a $38 billion cloud compute deal with Amazon. And would you know it, all of a sudden, Amazon is now doing a $10 billion investment into OpenAI. So all of these companies are just cycling money back and forth. The revenue from one goes straight back to the other. Amazon and OpenAI were not responding to any sort of requests about this story.

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419.733 - 442.351 Jaeden Schafer

But I think we have some pretty good insights in insiders on it. And of course, we have the $38 billion cloud compute deal that OpenAI, you know, officially signed with Amazon. So we know that Amazon put kicking money back to OpenAI would not be shocking. Now, one thing that I will mention is in that $38 billion cloud compute deal that Amazon and OpenAI signed, that was a multi-year deal.

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So that rolls out over, I believe, six years. And so you can imagine $38 billion going to Amazon over six years. Um, but, but the nice thing about that is as soon as that deal is essentially announced, like investors are starting to price that into the market where their Amazon stock is immediately getting a lot of the benefit of having a essentially $40 billion cloud compute deal.

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464.219 - 479.518 Jaeden Schafer

Everyone knows that it's coming in and we sort of like predict where the stock's going to go based off of that. So the Amazon stock goes up and what happens when the Amazon stock goes up? Well, it makes it easier for them to finance other things like for say, giving OpenAI a $10 billion investment, which of course is is going to give them a share of the company.

479.779 - 496.046 Jaeden Schafer

And as the company gets more valuable, it's going to, on paper anyways, make Amazon look more valuable. So this is really a win-win all around for a lot of these different companies. And it's not going to shock me to see these continue. Now, what is the risks associated with this? Well, that is, of course, the bubble risk.

496.066 - 510.347 Jaeden Schafer

If every company is signing these multi-year, multi-billion dollar deals with all of the circular... money going around. If any of the dominoes for any reason, and I'm not saying there is a reason for them to fall, but if any of the dominoes fall, everything could come crashing down.

510.367 - 530.012 Jaeden Schafer

If for some reason Amazon's revenue absolutely tanked and they were unable or OpenAI, let's say their revenue absolutely tanked because Gemini beat them out. Well, maybe they wouldn't be able to pay for that $38 billion. They would have to cancel or have other issues or they wouldn't need all of the compute that they spent on their $500 billion deal with Oracle to build hardware and data centers.

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So there's a lot of risks associated if they overbuild and the demand goes down or something financially bad happens to any of the companies involved. It's going to make it really hard for everyone else who has so much equity and money tied up and everything else. So

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