In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the coming “intelligence inversion” with Emad Mostaque, founder of Intelligent Internet and former CEO of Stability AI. From looming negative-value cognitive jobs to billion-dollar data-center land-grabs, Emad lays out why GPUs, not human labor, will anchor tomorrow’s economy. He explains how plunging token costs push intelligence toward “too cheap to meter,” why universal personal AIs must defend our interests, and how a dual-currency world could fund civic compute for healthcare, education, and social safety nets.We explore the thousand-day countdown to workforce disruption, the math that dooms tax-funded UBI, and the promise of token-based systems that reward people simply for being human. Emad shares inside chatter from tech billionaires stockpiling servers, sketches an AI-driven “Star Trek” abundance scenario, and warns of an arms race where compute equals power.Along the way we tackle simulation theory, latent-space economics, and the eerie elegance of generative-AI equations that may mirror the fabric of reality itself. Whether you’re a policy maker, startup founder, or just AI-curious, this conversation will challenge how you think about work, value, and humanity’s place in an automated future.Hit play to find out why a self-driving, self-programming world is closer and weirder than you think.

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