We built the internet. We championed social media. We're now building AI. But what if, looking back, we made things worse? In this candid and wide-ranging conversation, Teresa and Petra wrestle with a question that's hard to ask from inside tech: is the industry we've dedicated our careers to actually net positive for the world? From a chance comment by a non-tech family member to jarring observations about human isolation in San Francisco, this episode doesn't shy away from the discomfort. They explore the role of greed in how technology has evolved, what the "tech bro" narrative is costing us in human terms, the loneliness epidemic, and why speaking to people outside our industry echo chambers might be one of the most important things we can do. But they don't stop at critique — they also cast a genuinely hopeful vision for what responsible, community-centered technology could look like, including the idea of "mom and pop tech" that serves neighborhoods, not shareholders. If you work in tech and you've ever had a nagging feeling that something's gone wrong — this one is for you.

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