In episode 250 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons speaks with Dr. Thomas Zeitzoff, professor at American University and author of No Option But Sabotage: The Radical Environmental Movement and the Climate Crisis, to explore a question at the edge of today's climate conversation: what drives movements to escalate? Drawing on his research on political violence and environmental activism, Zeitzoff traces the evolution of the radical environmental movement—from sabotage in the 1990s and early 2000s to today's climate justice movement focused on mass protest and disruption. The conversation explores how tactics shift, what motivates activists, and why—despite intensifying climate impacts—we haven't seen a widespread return to more extreme actions. At the same time, a bigger question emerges: what actually works? As climate impacts become more visible, activism is evolving—but not all attention leads to progress. That's where climate adaptation enters the conversation. At the center of the discussion is a question that reframes the debate: If adaptation and climate response were working, would people feel pushed toward more extreme tactics? This episode doesn't advocate for extremism—but it does examine the conditions that can give rise to it, and how climate adaptation—if done well and communicated effectively—may help prevent it. Key Themes Covered in This Episode The evolution of environmental activism—from sabotage to modern climate justice movements What drives movements toward more extreme tactics—and why that has shifted over time The limits of disruption and whether attention leads to real-world outcomes The disconnect between growing climate impacts and public/political response Climate adaptation as a tangible pathway to reduce risk and build trust The role of communication in making adaptation visible and building broader support For Educators & Students How social movements evolve under pressure and changing conditions The intersection of political violence theory and environmental activism How tactics shift based on perceived effectiveness and opportunity The role of communication and public perception in shaping climate action Who Should Listen to This Episode Climate adaptation and resilience professionals Policymakers, planners, and climate communicators Researchers and students studying climate and social movements NGOs, funders, and private sector leaders focused on climate risk and engagement Links: https://www.american.edu/spa/faculty/zeitzoff.cfm https://www.zeitzoff.com/ https://www.amazon.com/No-Option-but-Sabotage-Environmental/dp/0197796842/ref=sr_1_1?crid=QN51R2M1EBJJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wM0lQCG41LkQEyTyrLkqtw.snxAdEz-eh3IOkevRxa1UYKgj8YVscwKLl0-auHgj6c Support for America Adapts helps make episodes like this possible, including more international conversations on how adaptation is unfolding globally. All donations are now tax deductible! Check out the America Adapts Media Kit here! Subscribe to the America Adapts newsletter here. Listen to America Adapts on your favorite app here! Facebook, Linkedin and Bluesky: https://www.facebook.com/americaadapts/ https://bsky.app/profile/americaadapts.bsky.social https://www.linkedin.com/in/doug-parsons-america-adapts/ Doug Parsons and Speaking Opportunities: If you are interested in having Doug speak at corporate and conference events, sharing his unique, expert perspective on adaptation in an entertaining and informative way, Now on Spotify! List of Previous Guests on America Adapts Follow/listen to podcast on Apple Podcasts. The 10 Best Sustainability Podcasts for Environmental Business Leadershttps://us.anteagroup.com/news-events/blog/10-best-sustainability-podcasts-environmental-business-leaders For more information on this podcast, visit the website at http://www.americaadapts.org and don't forget to subscribe to this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Podcast Music produce by Richard Haitz Productions Write a review on Apple Podcasts ! America Adapts on Facebook! Join the America Adapts Facebook Community Group. Check us out, we're also on YouTube! Subscribe to America Adapts on Apple Podcasts Doug can be contacted at americaadapts @ g mail . com

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