In episode 246 of America Adapts, host Doug Parsons hosts Dr. Shiran Victoria Shen, assistant professor at Washington University in St. Louis, for a closer look at how climate adaptation actually emerges in China. Drawing on her research after the devastating 2021 Henan flood, Shen shows how public demand for adaptation surged—not through climate change language, but through calls for safety, infrastructure, and risk reduction, often using formal government channels. The conversation highlights adaptation as a lived governance issue rather than an ideological one, and surfaces practical lessons about public participation, the limits of top-down approaches, and what governments everywhere tend to respond to when climate risk becomes impossible to ignore. Transcript of interview here. Key Themes Covered in This Episode How public demand for climate adaptation emerges after extreme disasters Why people often ask for adaptation without using "climate change" language The 2021 Henan flood as a national turning point for adaptation awareness in China Public participation and formal governance channels, including the Local Leaders' Message Board Differences between adaptation and mitigation from a governance perspective The limits of top-down adaptation and where citizen influence realistically ends What adaptation in China reveals about public engagement globally Lessons for policymakers, planners, and communicators working outside the U.S. Links & Resources from This Episode Shiran Victoria Shen – Faculty Page (Washington University in St. Louis) Shiran Victoria Shen – Research & Publications Dialogue Earth article: How the Chinese public is engaging in climate adaptation China's National Climate Change Adaptation Strategy (latest version) Background on the 2021 Henan Flood For Educators & Students This episode is well-suited for courses on climate adaptation, environmental governance, public policy, or comparative politics. Key themes include public participation, disaster response, adaptation without climate language, and institutional limits. Professors are welcome to assign this episode or excerpts in syllabi. Who Should Listen to This Episode Climate adaptation and resilience practitioners Urban and regional planners working on risk, infrastructure, or public engagement Researchers and students studying climate governance, adaptation, or comparative policy Government staff and policymakers involved in disaster response or long-term planning Funders and foundations interested in how public demand shapes adaptation outcomes Climate communicators looking to move beyond technical or ideological framing Anyone interested in how climate adaptation is unfolding outside the United States Support for America Adapts helps make episodes like this possible, including more international conversations on how adaptation is unfolding globally. All donations are now tax deductible! Check out the America Adapts Media Kit here! Subscribe to the America Adapts newsletter here. Listen to America Adapts on your favorite app here! Facebook, Linkedin and Bluesky: https://www.facebook.com/americaadapts/ https://bsky.app/profile/americaadapts.bsky.social https://www.linkedin.com/in/doug-parsons-america-adapts/ Doug Parsons and Speaking Opportunities: If you are interested in having Doug speak at corporate and conference events, sharing his unique, expert perspective on adaptation in an entertaining and informative way, Now on Spotify! List of Previous Guests on America Adapts Follow/listen to podcast on Apple Podcasts. The 10 Best Sustainability Podcasts for Environmental Business Leadershttps://us.anteagroup.com/news-events/blog/10-best-sustainability-podcasts-environmental-business-leaders For more information on this podcast, visit the website at http://www.americaadapts.org and don't forget to subscribe to this podcast on Apple Podcasts. Podcast Music produce by Richard Haitz Productions Write a review on Apple Podcasts ! America Adapts on Facebook! Join the America Adapts Facebook Community Group. Check us out, we're also on YouTube! Subscribe to America Adapts on Apple Podcasts Doug can be contacted at americaadapts @ g mail . com

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