American Alchemy with Jesse Michels
Inside America’s Most Chilling Alien Abduction [UFOs in Allagash]
10 May 2026
Chapter 1: What experiences led Jim and Charlie to Allagash?
the Allagash Lake. We're up there for the experience, for the pure pleasure of canoeing and being out in the wilderness.
What happens when you get back to camp?
Well, we looked on the other side of the lake, and here's this sphere of light, and it's moving like a balloon moving very, very slowly. What the hell is that over there?
When I saw the light, I noticed it had a weird quality to it. How so? So I looked at it through binoculars, and then as soon as I got him in focus, the light went like that. Whoa. Like a lens closing in on itself. And then it was right behind us, and I was like, oh Christ, we are not gonna make it back.
Chapter 2: What childhood paranormal encounters did they have?
And then I'm struggling to get up, and I see this face bending down to look into my eyes, and they began a clinical examination of me.
So you were laying horizontally. What did the table feel like? Very sterile, an emergency room setting in a way.
What did the beings look like? a bulbous head with large eyes, no nose like us, slit area in the chin. Are you freaking out?
Freaking out? I'm beyond freaking freaked out. Do you know if you have Rh negative blood? I do. There you go. And then they came for me. I was terrified. He kind of like reached up in the air with his long, thin, articulated arms. And he had this thing in his hand that looked like a flattened pocky puck. And they put one on the outside of each one of my shins, and then I couldn't move my legs.
Oh, my God. On his legs, for several years, hair didn't grow there. It was like a bald patch on its legs.
Whoa, really? Yeah, bald shins.
And his identical twin brother, Jack, had tumors growing in the exact spots. Didn't even get a damn T-shirt.
No souvenirs. Ignition frequency. Their existence cannot longer be denied. Jim Weiner, Charlie Fultz, thank you both so much for being here. I have followed your story for many years, and so it's an honor to be in person with you both. You guys experienced something absolutely remarkable and kind of mind-blowing in 1976 in Allagash in Maine.
Yeah, on the Allagash water system, yeah.
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Chapter 3: How did they prepare for their canoe trip?
Your 70s, late 50s? Yeah, well, the Ryan Institute ended in 1960. Yeah, late 50s. Anyway, my father freaked out. Yeah. And literally threw them both out of the house and said, if you ever come here again or if I ever see you around my kids again, I will...
Well, it's fascinating because that time in history was when children started to be tested in programs that were kind of adjacent to MKUltra, but also, you know, they were interested in UFO stuff too. There was a guy named Andrei Puharich. I don't know if you're familiar with him. But he was an early kind of architect of MKUltra.
He was a Northwestern scientist, and I think he was a medical student there, but just got very interested in consciousness. And he had a place in Ossining in upstate New York, and he recruited what he called the space kids. And it was like a camp for high psychic ability children. And they would often channel these beings they would call the nine, these sort of alien entities.
The first set of what really were the space kids were younger. Some of them were seven years old up to 12 or in teens. Interesting. So I wonder if you were being tracked by something. Who knows? Maybe they were tracking us. Did that eventually evolve into Montauk? So Montauk, I believe was, yeah, I think it would have been around the same time. I think it would have been the 50s, 60s.
I believe that there was like this machinery they found at Montauk and blanking on the name of the author of the book, but Preston something. Could be. I had the book at one time and I've given it away already. Yeah. But no, but that's sort of, so the, I mean, that whole, the Montauk experiments, which we now think are probably real, inspired, you know, Stranger Things.
And Stranger Things is, you know, hit Netflix show, which is around the DOE and National Labs, basically recruiting children and doing psychic tests with them. And Eleven, this character in Stranger Things, which is like the biggest show in the world right now, is based on this. So I do think- Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fascinating. So maybe they were trying to recruit.
They may have had something to do with it, but my father didn't like these two people at all. Yeah, I don't blame him. So that happened when we were kids. And then in 1973, in the spring of 1973, I was attending Mansfield State College in upstate Pennsylvania. It's almost on the border of Pennsylvania and New York State. Yeah. Teachers College. And I was an undergraduate there.
And they were involved in this project with beavers because they were having problems with every time a big storm would come through, they'd have a lot of flooding. There was a river up there. I forget the name of it. But it would flood and ruin everything. And so they decided what they were going to do was parachute beavers into the countryside all around it.
It's really up in an area of Pennsylvania that's really wild. In fact, they filmed... The deer, deer hunter movie. Is that the name of it?
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Chapter 4: What insights do Jim and Charlie share about their missing memories?
So we all grabbed our beers or whatever we were drinking and we went out in the streets. Thousands of us Americans were all toasting the guys on the moon with our beers. Now the moon belongs to us because we got our flag there.
That's funny. So did he just describe this UFO that he saw at all while he was orbiting Earth with the other astronauts?
Just that it had come in proximity with him. And I think he said it was green, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't know. I might be confusing that with other astronauts that it had encounters.
So you guys still have some missing puzzle pieces with your own experience for a decade plus, right? For 12 or so years. Oh, easily, easily. Yeah, we never really started looking at it until the late 80s. So what exactly...
kind of spur catalyst what was the catalyst to Jim and Jack both at the same time in two different states Jim lived in Massachusetts Jack in Vermont with his wife they both started experiencing these identical nightmares. Well, similar. Similar.
Yeah, I don't know if they were identical.
Well, for lack of a better word, they were identical in as much as they had the same four people, the two twins, me, and the other guy.
Yeah. And so back to the entanglement thing, you guys are experiencing the same things at the same time. But even then we didn't know what was going on. I remember he used to say, man, I had like a really strange dream last night where there were like these things, these like humanoid things and... And I was like, yeah, Jack, come on. It's a nightmare. You know, I have them too.
I have the same kind of dreams. It's just a nightmare. Don't worry about it. And it was you, Charlie, Jack and Chuck in the dream, just like it was you four at Allagash.
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Chapter 5: What revelations did Jim and Charlie experience during hypnotic regression?
Somewhere. after the hypnotic regression we discovered that yeah we it seems we were on this craft apparently so you're having dreams that are sort of adjacent to or flashbacks you know um point to something else having occurred and then that catalyzes this desire to get a hypnotic regression jim had had a
an injury and he developed epilepsy, temporal epilepsy, and he was having a lot of seizure activity. So he was at the Beth Israel hospital being followed for that. And they were going to do a sleep deprivation study on him. And he had all these wires glued to his head. And they said, while you're waiting around, You want to read a book or anything? And he said, yeah, yeah.
So they brought in a tray of books and.
And one of them was Whitney Strieber's Communion. And when I saw the face on the cover, I flipped out. Yeah. I was like, why are you giving me this book to read? I don't want to read this. And I like, for some reason, I didn't really know why. It was just like this face just.
Negative reactions.
Had this extreme negative reaction. And I didn't want to have anything to do with it. And I made a big scene.
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Chapter 6: How did their experiences influence their artwork and lives?
And then a few minutes later, one of the neurologists came in and said, Jim, what just came down here? And I was like, I don't want to talk about this. And he was like, well... It's kind of weird, don't you think? And I was like, I don't care what you call it. You know, it's like, I don't know. I just don't like this. I don't want to look at this book anymore.
It was like a visceral allergic reaction. It was more like a visceral reaction to it. And I got really upset. And then... You know, this is, by the way, common for people, experiencers, to see the cover specifically of Communion, Whitley Streber's book, and a lot of stuff bubbles back up. It just comes up. Comes back up.
And sometimes it's this, and then other times it's like, whoa, that looks familiar. Yeah.
Yeah.
And so he left, and after the test was done, the EEG, he came in. He said, you know, I'm going to ask you a kind of personal question. And I said, fine. What do you want to ask? He said, have you ever seen a UFO? And I remembered, like, looking at him, like, what the heck is going on here? And I said, well, yeah, as a matter of fact, I have.
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Chapter 7: What connections are made between their abduction and advanced technologies?
And he said, oh, you want to talk about it? And I said, um, Not really. You know, I really want to kind of concentrate on the seizures. I'm having these problems with seizures. I think that's a little bit more important than talking about UFOs. And he said, well, you know, I know this guy, one of my professional people I know who turned out to be John Mack. No way. Yeah. Yeah.
Who's this neurologist? He's, uh, what was his name? Jonathan Silverman. I think it was. And was he affiliated with, he was affiliated with Harvard medical school. Yeah. So, um, Did you sense anything nefarious about him or you felt like he was an honest actor? No, I thought he was an honest actor.
And so I said, well, yeah, you know, I have had a UFO experience and I was telling him about these nightmares that I was having, thinking they were seizure activity. And he said, you know, Jim, I think you really need to talk to somebody like John Mack or somebody who, deals with people who have seen UFOs.
I could tell he was trying to be gentle about walking around this topic so I wouldn't flip out again because I was not happy. And so I said, you know, I really want to just concentrate on the seizures. You know, let's concentrate on the seizures. So I tried to avoid it for a while. And then
A few days later, he came into my room and said, look, you know, this guy named Ray Fowler, Raymond Fowler, he's a UFO investigator. He's going to be at this conference, which was pretty close to where Carol and I live now.
The library?
The Marriott Hotel. There was a Marriott Hotel near us. And he said, he's going to be doing, he's going to be speaking at this, or he's going to have a book stand or something like that at this thing. And I want you to go and talk to him. And I was like, I don't want to talk to him. And he said, look, you really, I really want you to do this.
So he talked me into doing it, and that's how I met Ray Fowler. And I remembered when I met him, he was selling some of his books. And he said, oh, yeah, your doctor called me, and so I'm expecting you. And I said, you know, and he goes, well, why don't you just start at the beginning and tell me? about this UFO that you saw. So I told him about it. And at first I thought he was bored.
I was like, oh yeah, I've heard this a million times. And then I said, Charlie and myself and my identical twin. And then he went, what did you just say? And I said, Charlie and I and this other guy and my identical twin. He said, oh, you have an identical twin? And I said, yes. And then he said, okay, I want you to start all over again. And then I could tell he was giving me his attention.
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