American Alchemy with Jesse Michels
Top NASA Scientist Shows Me Antigravity Proof [Shocking Result Revealed]
30 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the significance of Dr. Charles Buhler's research?
I've always believed there had to be a better way to move an object from point A to point B. There just had to be. So I spent two decades looking at hidden momentum. You do think you've discovered a propulsion mechanism that can get us interstellar travel. I take those lifters, and I put them in a plastic box, and I put it on a scale. You turn it on, the thing lifts up, and the weight flatlines.
It does not move at all. Still about 200 micronews of force still inside. How many variations of this experiment do you think you've tried? We are close to 2,000. 2,000 instances of the experiment? No, 2,000 variations. Holy shit. Two test articles. Each one is tested multiple times.
If you were to apply that to a satellite in space in a zero-gravity environment, it would accelerate with the power off. Can't explain that to the scientific community. I just can't. The idea that you could just charge it up and leave it there and it gets thrust, like, it hurts my brain to even imagine how is that possible. These are very weird things.
It's like you create this thrust mode that just keeps going. I don't think I'm bending spacetime. Maybe I am. For over a century, humanity's journey to the stars has been held hostage by a simple, unyielding truth. Newton's Third Law. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. It's the law that powers every rocket, every satellite, every probe we've ever launched.
and it's also the law that keeps us trapped here on Earth. In order to get to the closest habitable planet in our very own Milky Way galaxy, a place called Proxima Centauri b, it would take you 50 to 80,000 years in a chemical combustion rocket. You would die before even getting 1% of the way there.
And if you somehow figured out a way to live for thousands of years, by the time you came back to Earth after a trip like that, it would be totally unrecognizable. You'd be playing out the ending of the Planet of the Apes. To go anywhere in space, you have to carry fuel, massive amounts of it.
Over 90% of any rocket's mass at launch is just propellant, pure fuel, burned and ejected out of the back to push the remaining 10% forward. Launching a rocket to get a satellite into space is like flying a fully loaded 747 to deliver a suitcase.
One of the challenges we have to solve is orbital refilling, where we dock on orbit and transfer propellant.
The modern king of rocketry and Mr. Occupy Mars himself, Elon Musk, has publicly stated that Newton's laws are the end-all, be-all for space travel. For some reason, he's quite adamant about that.
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Chapter 2: How does Dr. Buhler's work connect to Townsend Brown's legacy?
And a lot of the tests that we do that we've been doing date to the 1960s, long before they had standardized testing from electrostatics. So Dr. Carlos Kai filmed, he formed a research arm of that test about 26 years ago. Aren't there also issues with lunar dust, you know, getting attracted to the lunar lander and electrostatics sort of allowing or removing the dust or something like that?
Is that a thing? Yes. So when I get on the... On the stand and I talk about these things, my pedestal, I always talk about the safety and need to study electrostatics, but no one pays us to study electrostatics. You know, it's a case by case thing where people will give us funding to look at and investigate, just like any other investigation. But it doesn't pay the bills.
So what we've done is we've understood some of the needs for NASA that are in the electrostatics realm. For example, the dust mitigation aspect. So dust is considered one of the two greatest challenges that have to be overcome for long-term human presence on the moon or Mars. The dust was... was very problematic for the Apollo astronauts, where they couldn't even do a fourth EVA.
They could do three, they couldn't do four. Dust would clog the suits and get into the arms, into the helmet, into the joints. And it just prevented further EVAs, extra vehicle activities. So the dust mitigation is a serious one. It's taken by NASA. I think every center is working on it. But we actually have many dust mitigation technologies that we've developed over the years.
Our primary one is the Electrodynamic Dust Shield, the EDS. So this uses a surface that has embedded electrodes inside of it that lifts and removes dust without moving parts or gases or fluids or anything. Wow. So we can embed that into glass. We can embed that into thermal radiators, solar panels, solar rays, all kinds of materials. Very cool. And wasn't there recently like a lunar dust mission?
That's right. So we almost just over a year ago, we landed our EDS payload, had nine EDSs on there. So there were six EDSs used to get dust onto us so we can use our EDS to show that we can get it off. So we tested a thermal radiator EDS. We tested a glass EDS on the moon and a camera EDS. So we tested the technology on the lunar surface. Successful. Very cool. That's amazing.
So you work 25 years on something, you finally get it to the moon and it works. You're pretty happy. Congratulations. Yeah, it would suck if it didn't. After 25 years, it's a lot of sunk cost and a lot of time and effort and energy.
Yeah.
One other very credibility enhancing thing about you that I think it's really important to note is you've contributed to the field of electrostatics outside of this anomalous force that you're talking about. Is that right? That's right. So, you know, I've been in electrostatics for 26 years and it's it's been around, obviously, for a very long time.
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Chapter 3: What experimental methods are used to demonstrate thrust?
And that didn't end when I went to graduate school and after I graduated. So, you know, my PhD is in theoretical condensed matter physics. I got that at Florida State University while working at the National High Magnetic Field Lab. And after that, you know, the grad students, we went different directions. Some stayed in academia, some got jobs, you know, in industry or whatnot.
And I decided to go to NASA. And there was an opening for a postdoc in the electrostatics lab under Dr. Carlos Calle. He's trying to start that laboratory back in Florida. I was living in Tennessee at the time. I said, it's a chance to get into NASA, see what it's about. What was there to learn on electrostatics? Everything's known. It's Maxwell's equations.
There can't be anything to learn there. And when I got there, I realized that even the most fundamental studies on electrostatics were not complete. Even understanding how you rub two materials together and you separate them. One's plus, one's minus. How does that even happen? They didn't even know if it was the electrons responsible, ions, material transfer, all the above, none of the above.
So there was a lot to learn. So I found it to be a very interesting field of physics that the mainstream community doesn't care too much about. So I found it as a nice way to learn and to learn something new. And that's what got me excited about electrostatics once I got there. And what really got me excited is it could help people. I could solve problems. That's what electrostatics does.
It solves problems. And it's involved in just about every industry, whether it's making the dust masks for the, those are made by 3M, those N95 masks fighting COVID. Those are electric filters. So you actually make those using electrostatics and they actually work for eight or nine hours because they can trap those nanometer particles. You don't know these things.
Microphones are all electrostatics properties. That's an electorate. So there's so many different fields that electrostatics dives into. And it was very useful for us to, as NASA, go to these electrostatics conferences where you have the pharmacy industry there, the biologists are there, chemists are there.
It's a very wide open discipline because they all need help in electrostatics and they're all advancing that field. And so I could use what I learned there to apply to NASA. So whether it's the EDS technology that came from that community or other technologies that we've learned from that community, like the electrostatic precipitation, that's air filtration.
There are so many, so many technologies that come out of that field that, It was originally discovered by, you know, founded by the scientists at Xerox back in the 70s. So it has a very rich, deep history in America and that North New York area with Cornell and not Cornell, Corning, Kodak.
And these companies that are, you know, very prominent back in the 60s and 70s formed together this electrostatic society. And they share that technology with people. It's fascinating. Yeah, I always found it interesting that Townsend Brown, along with his thruster work, which, you know, involves, you know, what he thought would lead to interstellar travel.
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Chapter 4: How do the findings challenge conventional physics?
But the linear analog to it was always hindered by a third momentum called hidden momentum. So I went out on a limb and tried to find systems that did not have hidden momentum. Fascinating. Well, we're going to dive deep into that and your theories around it. But I think first, just for the lay audience, mass ejection is the current kind of paradigm.
And so it's Newton's third law, and it's just you expel a ton of mass. A lot of these rockets, like look at SpaceX's Starship, it's mostly fuel. In the rocket itself, that's most of the tonnage is just fuel. And then you obviously have a decently high payload capacity on top of that, but that's a very small percentage of the overall rocket. And so it's very inefficient from that standpoint.
And then because you have a limited amount of fuel, you can't really get to like Proxima Centauri B. And if you could, it would take you 80,000 years with current speeds. And that's like the closest habitable planet. So I always, you know, bring these things up because even if Elon Musk were sitting in your chair, there's no argument he would have to defeat. That's just physics.
You know, like there's there's nothing he could say to that. And so I think what you're looking into is like the most, you know, people can come back with first principles arguments and say you're wrong. But like. It's the most important thing. For space, it absolutely is. There's no question. Because like you said, I think it's 95% of a rocket's mass is just fuel. Yes.
And you expel it almost immediately and then you're done with it. So then you're just out using inertia to get you wherever you need to go unless you have a little bit of fuel to get back. Yeah. Just the amount of fuel it's going to take to get to Mars. How many starships it's going to take that have to be fueled just to get to Mars. It's just astounding.
It's an incredible amount of massive fuel. Yeah. I mean, just to the moon. I don't know if you know this, but the Starship burns nine-tenths of its fuel tank. It goes into low Earth orbit. Then it does butt-to-butt refueling with another Starship that goes up, burns nine-tenths of its fuel tank, and then that gets disposed of. So you end up with two-tenths. You have to do that...
eight more times, then you have a full tank, and then that goes to the moon. And that's just the moon. That's not even Mars. Oh, it's astounding, the numbers I've seen. It's astounding. It doesn't seem rational. It doesn't, and... He never bet against Elon. He all, you know, any engineering feat, you know, people were saying Starship itself wouldn't work.
And the the Pez dispenser flap that allowed the Starlings to come out was like, you know, that was we get ripped off in that there are all these things they had. And it seems like it's starting to work. You know, it has orbited. earth. And then there's still, you know, modifications and updates they need to make. So, you know, not pouring cold water on that engineering effort.
But again, I do think from a physics perspective, from a pure design perspective, if there is this other force, we should obviously be looking into. Sure. I mean, there's got to be a better way. And I always believed ever since I've started studying science that there has to be another way. So even as a young kid, Totally. Just, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, I agree. It doesn't make sense.
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Chapter 5: What childhood UFO sighting influenced Dr. Buhler's perspective?
And this was, it was a pretty cool event now that it's over.
Chapter 6: What was the Cocoa Beach incident and its significance?
A little terrifying at the time, but we live in Cocoa Beach. So we went out to the beach one night, I would say 9.30, 10 o'clock at night. And we're the only ones there. It's not uncommon though back then, this is maybe 10 years ago. And maybe 12 years ago. So we live close to the Patrick Air Force Base, which is south of us.
And so out in the ocean, maybe about three miles outside, south of us in the ocean, I would say about three miles. We could kind of gauge how far things are apart because we're used to all the rivers and they're all three miles wide. So this is about three miles out in the ocean. We see a red light, just a beacon, just bleeping. No big deal. Just a boat. Thousands of boats.
but not that night or not thousands of boats. And, uh, it gets brighter and it gets brighter. We're like, man, that's, it's getting kind of bright. What is that? What, you know, beacons don't get that bright. So it's gotta be boat. Maybe someone's in trouble. And then it gets really bright and then it explodes.
So we see this giant, I don't want to say mushroom cloud, but it got very, very bright and, So bright, it lit up the whole beach as far as the eye can see, you know, all the way from Cape Canaveral, all the way down. And I said, my God, what the heck happened there? My wife and I were like, that's crazy. Clearly someone's going to call the police and tell them that a boat exploded.
You know, we're on the beach. We didn't have phones or anything at the time. Like, what the heck is that? So I would say five minutes later, wasn't that long, 10 minutes, we see one of the helicopters from the Air Force Base go out to it. So they get up and they fly over it and they hover right over it. It's still blinking. It's not exploding. It's still there. Still blinking. Just a nice pace.
Bling, bling, bling. Helicopter hangs over, looks at it, doesn't do anything, goes all the way back. So like, well, are they going to help the people?
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Chapter 7: How do the experiences of others relate to Dr. Buhler's work?
Are they going to rescue them? Are they going to do any of that? Nothing. That is so weird. That's when it got fun. So now, as we're watching this thing, it's about 10, 15, 20 minutes into it. It gets closer. It's still blinking. It's getting closer. It's leaving. It's moving. And then it gets within a mile. So is that three miles? Is that two miles? It's about a half a mile.
And then somewhere at, I think, about a half a mile, it's not one light anymore. It's split into six. And it's not just getting bright. These orange, pinkish lights split and then they started rotating. And they just started rotating like bicycle spokes on a wheel.
Chapter 8: What theories connect Dr. Buhler's propulsion work to historical figures?
And they kept getting closer. And they would go under the water and come back out. Under the water, come back out. Under the water, come back out. Like, this is really weird. And they got closer to us. So when it got about a quarter of a mile or maybe a thousand yards out, we're like, okay, we're going to walk up the beach now. That's been fun. That's a little bit too close. It kept following us.
It got closer. It got closer. It got brighter. It got brighter. It got brighter. And I think it was about when they got about, I wouldn't even be exaggerating if I said 50 yards. Why? That close. I started getting a little scared. And I know she was getting scared.
Then, after about 40 minutes of looking at these lights and trying to run from them, but not full out sprint, but kind of just walking super fast, like 12 blocks, it went out. And then, um, then we walked home and it was, it was terrifying, but it was not super scary, but it was scary enough. Cause I didn't know what the heck that was. That's wild. What year was this? Probably 2013. Okay.
Somewhere in there. So you had already started your work on the more exotic propulsion stuff. Probably a couple of years in by then for sure. That's fascinating. It's so interesting. So you saw this thing out in the distance and then it started to loop in and out of the water. And then approach you and it got to like 50 yards-ish away. Yeah, it got really close. Could you make out?
Beyond the waves, like where the waves started. Did it still look like this amorphous light at 50 yards or could you make out the structure? I couldn't see a structure. Just six or seven lights going in a pattern, faster, slower, faster, slower, in and out of the water like the water wasn't there. And just, it was responding to us. Really?
Because that's a common thing for people to say who've had UFO experiences. If we went up, it went up. If we went faster, it went faster. It was mirroring you. It was mirroring us. Did you get any sort of consciousness download or feel mentally locked in with it or anything like that? No. No, I don't think so.
Interesting.
These lights are kind of common over there. If you study these type of lights, because we live near a cruise ship, the port, so you see a lot of videos online with these lights. Stephen Greer takes his group down there to almost that same beach about 40 minutes south to look and kind of conjure up the lights. Yeah.
So that, and I have had other friends since then have the same experience or similar experience, which I thought was super cool because he was out at the beach with his family and they saw it late at night. They're the only ones on the beach. They saw them too. It was like maybe seven, eight years later. So it's pretty weird stuff that's happened.
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