Nazis in America: Fascism in the 1930s
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What sparked the rise of fascism in America?
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Then, two years later, on May 22, 1920, he publishes a four-volume set of pamphlets and articles taken from the newspaper, entitled The International Jew, The World's Problem. The first edition flies off the presses in the hundreds of thousands. It will later be translated into 16 languages. It blames the Jewish population for pretty much all of the world's problems. Labor unrest, Bolshevism, financial strife, and war. Ford distributes half a million copies to his network of dealerships and subscribers, spreading anti-Semitic hatred across the country, a message reflected and admired by the burgeoning National Socialist Movement in Germany, a movement which it is rumored Ford also bankrolls.
This is not the start or the end of a deep relationship between the Nazi Party and a willing swath of the American public. Don Wildman But it's her 16-year-long running eponymous program on MSNBC, The Rachel Maddow Show, that has made her a household name. And today we get to discuss her most recent book, Prequel, An American Fight Against Fascism. Welcome, Rachel Maddow, to American History Hit.
Who was Henry Ford and what was his role?
It is a delight to have you here.
Don, it is such an honor. I am a fan of yours, and I am a devoted listener, and I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you.
Well, let's conclude the interview with that, please. Listen, prequel, a great book. I listened to it in one long drive. Oh, great. Wow. To your voice telling me the whole story. It tracks the extraordinary rise of American fascism out of the Great Depression up to World War II. We should take a moment here for a definition. Fascism, from Merriam-Webster's, "...a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation, and often race, above the individual, associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and suppression of opposition." The word comes from the Latin facis, or bundle of sticks, often wrapped around an axe, which was the symbol of strength and authority in ancient Rome. So fascism is all about Mussolini and the fascists of 1920s Italy. Okay, back to the interview. The subtitle reads, An American Fight Against Fascism. But boy, there were a whole bunch of Americans who wanted to bring it to these shores.
Why so, and why at that time?
You know, at that time, fascism, you know, before World War II, fascism didn't have the same association that it does for us now. Before we saw what the fascist dictatorships left in their wake during World War II, I think a lot of Americans were legitimately fascist-curious fascists. In 1940, when Charles Lindbergh's wife wrote a book about fascism being the wave of the future in the United States, it was the best-selling book in the country that year. One of the most prominent American public intellectuals at the time was a man named Lawrence Dennis, who was an overt supporter of fascism and thought that that would be America's next chapter. It was seen as being modern and efficient and something maybe worth trying. That said, once we knew more about what it was about, there were Americans who, as late as the day that Japan attacked us in Pearl Harbor, believed that we should be trying to do something more along the lines of Hitler's government in Germany.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What sparked the rise of fascism in America?
0:02–2:42
2
Who was Henry Ford and what was his role?
2:42–5:39
3
What does fascism mean in the historical context?
5:39–7:45
4
How did propaganda influence American attitudes?
7:45–10:03
5
What was the significance of the Great Sedition Trial of 1944?
10:03–14:00
6
How did anti-Semitism intertwine with fascism in America?
14:00–15:09
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What lessons can we learn from the past about fascism?
15:09–25:46