Chappaquiddick | The Weight of the Name | 5
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
From Audible Originals, I'm Lindsey Graham, and this is American Scandal.
What happened on Chappaquiddick and who were the immediate political consequences?
In July of 1969, a car drove off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island. The passenger, Mary Jo Kopechny, would die that night. And the driver, Senator Ted Kennedy, would not report the accident for nearly 10 hours. He was never charged with a crime. He received a two-month suspended sentence for leaving the scene. And eight months later, he was re-elected to the Senate with 62% of the vote. To many, it seemed the full weight of one of America's most powerful political families was deployed to ensure the senator's career survived. This scandal raised serious questions, not just about what really happened that night, but how it was handled and whether the outcome would have been the same for someone without Kennedy's name and influence.
More than 50 years later, those questions still resonate. My guest today is Peter Kanellis. He's a veteran political journalist, author, and editor of Last Lion, The Fall and Rise of Ted Kennedy.
Our conversation is next.
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Peter Kanellis, welcome to American Scandal.
Thank you.
Many look at Chappaquiddick as a quintessential case of the wealthy and powerful avoiding accountability. Ted, though, said that it haunted him for the rest of his life. How do you assess what kind of accountability was involved, if any?
I think that there was serious accountability for errors in judgment that were almost certainly motivated by concern for the image and politics and how is this all going to look.
How did Ted Kennedy and his circle respond in the hours after Mary Jo Kopechne’s death?
I think that it adds up to a pretty powerful indictment of Ted Kennedy's behavior. The line that might be drawn, though, is when people say, you know, did he intentionally sacrifice this woman or sacrifice her life? Did he, you know, he cared more for his own political well-being than he did for her life? I think that the evidence suggests that he believed that she was not savable at any of these later points. You know, he did dive in to try to save her and rescue her in the car. That is credible because he's such a good swimmer and he was somebody who spent his whole life on the ocean that it wouldn't have been some extraordinary effort of his to try to, you know, get down in the car and save her.
And even if you're somebody who believes in the craven political motivation was always first and foremost in his mind. Of course, his motivation would have been to do anything to save her because once she was saved, there would be no incident. It only became a scandal and a crisis because she died. So he had every incentive to try to save her. Then he ran back to the cottage, which was a pretty long track away. to try to get Markham and Gargan to come back and help him to make a second run of attempts to save Mary Jo Kopechny. They did try. They didn't succeed. And it was then that the sort of political cover-up slash shenanigans slash manipulations, I think, started to occur.
But when we look at how the Chapquidic incident played out, how much do you think was simply the system deferring to a powerful family? How does the local law enforcement apparatus go up against the Kennedys?
Oh, I mean, I think that that is almost beyond dispute that the local officials in Edgartown deferred to the Kennedys. And, you know, a lot of their concerns were sort of how to please the Kennedys rather than how to properly investigate this death or concern for the Kopechny family. You know, at a certain point, various Kennedy aides and hangers-on and other figures, you know, started dictating terms to the local officials. Dominic Arena, who was the police chief, repeatedly deferred to the Kennedys. The question would be what might have been lost in that set of transactions, what evidence might have been lost.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:07–0:31
2
What happened on Chappaquiddick and who were the immediate political consequences?
0:31–2:51
3
How did Ted Kennedy and his circle respond in the hours after Mary Jo Kopechne’s death?
2:51–29:10
4
How did local law enforcement and the Kennedy entourage influence the Chappaquiddick investigation?
29:10–37:39
5
What tactics did the Kennedy 'machinery' use to manage public perception after the crash?
37:39–39:40