No matter where you stand on the death penalty, this is a powerful and personal conversation with a mother who has already lost one son and is about to lose another after they were both convicted of the 2002 robbery and murder of Ronnie Wipf. It’s a tale of two brothers, an imperfect system and the families devastated by a New Year’s Day murder. Linda Wood’s older son, Jake admitted to the actual murder and received life in prison, her younger son Tremane was convicted of the same crime, but received the death penalty. After the Oklahoma pardons and parole board recommended clemency for Tremane last week, Amy and T.J. recorded an entire episode about the case. Now, as his family waits to see if the Governor will follow the board’s recommendation, his mother and two nieces talk about the torturous past few months and the excruciating hours to come, waiting to find out if the man they describe as the glue of their family will be executed on Thursday.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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