Trump campaigned on law and order. Then came the pardons.
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What did Trump’s pardons mean for the January 6th rioters?
But first, of the more than 1,500 pardons President Trump handed out earlier this week for people who rioted at the Capitol on January 6th, at least one woman has rejected the offer. Pam Hemphill told NBC that it would send the wrong message.
Think about it. The message is, if I took a pardon... that what I did that day was OK. They were criminals. They broke the law. I broke the law. Pay the price.
How do pardons influence public perception of political violence?
But Trump has been clear he doesn't see it that way. He's referred to January 6th as a, quote, day of love and described the rioters as patriots. Tom Jackman is a crime and justice reporter at The Washington Post. He says what we're seeing is a rewriting of history.
I have sat in the court for four years and watched the evidence and watched the videos. It's on video. This is not somebody's word against somebody's word. We can see what happened. We can see these individuals attacking the police, overrunning the police, using stun guns on the police, throwing flagpoles and fire extinguishers at the police. It happened. It's real.
The pardons are not popular with the public, according to a number of recent national polls. One conducted by Reuters and Ipsos during Trump's first two days in office found 58 percent of people surveyed disapproved of the idea of broad pardons. But Trump and his loyalists are eager to change the history books. In fact, Speaker Mike Johnson announced the House would form a subcommittee to investigate, quote, false narratives about January 6th. Jackman told us he's heard concerns from people that the pardons could embolden extremists to carry out other politically motivated attacks.
That's a serious fear that a lot of terrorism-type folks are looking at, that people will think, heck, I can go out and attack a liberal judge or a liberal prosecutor or a liberal reporter that I don't like because this political violence has been approved and sanctioned by the president. And so even if I get caught, he'll let me out.
Stuart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio, the leaders of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, respectively, received some of the harshest sentences for their roles in the violence on January 6th. Now they're out of prison and they're already talking about retribution. They've spoken this week about going after witnesses, jury members, prosecutors and judges that worked on their cases. Here's Tarrio speaking to far-right activist and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
Success is going to be retribution, okay? And it's up to us. And when I say us, I include your listeners on there. You know, we got to do everything in our power to make sure that the next four years sets us up for the next hundred years.
I recently sat down with Josh Kaplan, who covers America's militia movement for ProPublica, and he told me how militias like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers feel like the pardons give them a pass.
there's a lot of excitement about it. You're seeing people who feel confident that this is going to be great for their organizations, that there are people that have been keeping their distance still out of fear of potential legal repercussions, and those people are now going to feel kind of invincible.
What historical events are similar to the January 6th Capitol riot?
I mean, to give a little historical perspective here, the last event similar to January 6th in the history of these movements in America was the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. when a man with militia ties blew up a government building and killed more than 100 people. It's one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in American history. The militia movement did not recover from that for over a decade. That is what a lot of people, including a lot of people in the militia movement, thought would happen after January 6th. So this reshaping of the narrative, it really matters.
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What did Trump’s pardons mean for the January 6th rioters?
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How do pardons influence public perception of political violence?
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What historical events are similar to the January 6th Capitol riot?
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