Alvin E. Roth (on moral economics)
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman.
Hi.
Today we have Alvin E. Roth. He is a Nobel Prize winning economist and a Stanford professor. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
My goodness.
His previous book is Who Gets What and Why? And his new book is called, This is Tasty, Moral Economics, From Prostitution to Organ Sales, What Controversial Transactions Reveal About How Markets Work.
Really interesting.
Super, super interesting. We learn about the difference between repugnancy and disgust. He himself pioneered this kidney market that has saved millions Tens of thousands of lives. Yeah, really, really great topic. Please enjoy Alvin E. Roth.
He's an armchair expert.
You're visiting, I presume, from the Stanford area, yeah? I am. You're originally from Queens. Both parents were schoolteachers? Yes. And what was their specialty? Were they just generalists? They taught in high school, and they taught a discipline that no longer exists. It was called secretarial studies. And they taught mostly young women who weren't planning to go to college and were going to become secretaries. And they taught them typing and stenography. So one of the skills that a secretary needed to have in those days was to be able to take by hand dictation.
Yeah.
Right. And then your words per minute was your currency, I imagine. And accuracy. Yeah. Both parents specialized in that? They did. Did they meet in pursuit of that knowledge? They probably did. They were both New York City school teachers and part of the Implicit contract was you were supposed to go back and get a master's degree, and I think they met then. Okay, they met in graduate school. Yeah. How much older is your older brother than you? Four years. Four years, and did you look up to him? Absolutely. So he started this. He started taking classes at Columbia on the weekend, and that encouraged you to do the same? He did. Yeah, what grade? The entrance exam was in ninth grade. I don't think I started classes till 10th grade, but I'm not positive about that.
All to say you end up beginning college full-time at Columbia before you've gotten a degree, yeah? So if we're talking about a high school degree, I don't have a high school degree. Yeah, you don't have a high school degree, which I like a lot. And you started full-time at 16 at Columbia? Yes. So you were a wunderkind. Do you reject that term or do you embrace it? I don't think I embrace it. I was not a great high school student.
But they let you into college without it?
They did. It's a private college. And the thing about having some acquaintance with Columbia professors was they let me in. Wow. And you got your first degree quickly, yeah, in three years. And it was in operations research. What was operations research? Well, operations research was and is a collection of applied mathematical tools. Mostly they're tools that had their origin in World War II. So various kinds of optimization and some kinds of statistics, things like that. And then you went to graduate school quickly thereafter, which you went to Stanford. And you get your master's and PhD there in three years. Again, this is accelerated now.
How did Alvin Roth's upbringing influence his career?
I did, yeah. What was the hurry? Was it just happening? It was mostly just happening. I wasn't in a hurry. But again, I wasn't a talented student. I liked being a student, but I was ready to also think about things on my own. Okay. How do we transition from operations to economics? It's a good question. I'm often asked that. My story, which I'm sticking to, is that I didn't change what I did, but the disciplinary boundaries moved around me. So I studied game theory was the topic of my dissertation. And in the 1970s, it looked like operations research might be the natural home of game theory. But then economics adopted game theory, and doing game theory made you an economist, and there I was. Oh, okay. Did you love Janusz von Neumann?
He's a father of game theory. It would be delightful to have met him. He was a polymath and an unusual man. Most of the game theory we do today isn't very directly related to what he did.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–3:28
2
How did Alvin Roth's upbringing influence his career?
3:28–27:59
3
What defines a market according to Alvin Roth?
27:59–49:46
4
How do repugnant transactions challenge societal norms?
49:46–1:20:58
5
What personal experiences influenced your thoughts on economics?
1:20:58–1:22:02
6
How do societal norms affect personal interactions?
1:22:02–1:23:07
7
What are the implications of naming conventions in economics?
1:23:07–1:24:33
8
What unique insights does Alvin E. Roth share about market behaviors?
1:24:33–2:14:57