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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Chris Nowinski (on CTE)

14 May 2025

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Chris Nowinski (Stop Hitting Kids in the Head, Head Games: Football's Concussion Crisis, Concussion Legacy Foundation) is an author, retired pro-wrestler, and neuroscientist. Chris joins the Armchair Expert to discuss never forgetting the culture shock of wealth while studying at Harvard, his stint wrestling on Monday Night Raw, and not having ever really been in a real fight. Chris and Dax talk about why the violence in football is actually worse than WWE, his first instance of REM behavior disorder, and learning the preciousness of brain cells. Chris explains the supposed causes and physiology of CTE, why we have selective framing for how to think about the mental health of athletes transitioning out of sports, and how wrestlers now really appreciate how much safer the industry is.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0.31 - 23.122 Dax Shepard

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, experts on expert. I'm Dan Rather, and I'm joined by Leslie Stahl. And today our guest is Chris Nowinski.

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23.582 - 36.246 Dax Shepard

He is a neuroscientist, an author, and a retired professional wrestler. Mm-hmm. We've been just accumulating bizarre origin stories. But bizarre might not be the right word. Super fascinating origin stories.

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36.346 - 37.207 Unknown Speaker

Unusual.

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37.467 - 41.728 Dax Shepard

Unusual. Which is probably the definition of bizarre if you look it up. Probably says unusual.

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41.908 - 50.429 Monica Padman

Yeah. I've been thrilled. Thrilled to have Chris Nowinski on. I've been wanting to have someone on to talk about CTE for a long time.

50.449 - 57.531 Dax Shepard

You love CTE. It's your favorite topic. The dream scenario would be a CTE episode of The Pit.

58.071 - 58.851 Monica Padman

Oh. Oh, my God.

58.871 - 62.074 Dax Shepard

I'm surprised they didn't do that. They will. Season two.

62.154 - 66.256 Monica Padman

I hope so. It got a season two. It's like rushing a season two.

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