Kathryn Paige Harden (behavioral geneticist)
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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi. Today we have Katherine Page Harden. She's a professor of psychology at, where we should have gone, University of Texas, Austin, where she directs the Developmental Behavior Genetics Lab. Her previous books include The Genetic Lottery, Why DNA Matters for Social Equality, and her new book, which is so tasty, is called Original Sin on the Genetics of Vice, the Problem of Blame, and the Future of Forgiveness. Delicious. It's a good one. Please enjoy Catherine Page Harden. This episode of Armchair Expert is presented by Apple TV, the new U.S. home of Formula One. Starting March 7th, you can watch complete all-access live coverage of every Grand Prix, including practice, qualifying, and sprints, all in one place.
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I brought you something. Oh, okay. Which is that I brought you the UK copy of the book because it has a much cooler cover. Oh, I'll say it does. It's reminiscent of Beowulf. It's a boar's face on a woman's face. Tell me more about that. I think they were thinking about how... There's a lot of animal research in there. And also just thinking about in what ways are we animals? In what ways are morality connected to the animal world? I sent them a whole mood board. And my U.S. publisher was like, all of these look like novels or poetry collections. It doesn't read science fiction. And then my U.K. editor was like, let's go. Let's party. Let's do something weird. What are the known differences in how U.K. publishing and the U.S.
publishing differs? I don't think I know because this is my first rodeo with that. Well, the English are so fascinating, aren't they? Yes. I think they're darker and twistier and more repressed. Yes, exactly. The repression begets more perversion. I totally agree. It's a Freudian analysis of the British culture, but I believe that. You sneak in. I'm so sneaky. Hi. Hello. It's so nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Thank you for inviting me. This is such a surreal treat. So let's start. Did you just fly in from Austin? I did last night. You teach at UT, right? I teach at UT. Where did you go to undergrad? I went to a Furman University. Have you heard of that? I have. My friend's mom went to Furman. Back when it was Baptist?
Probably. Probably, yes. So it's a small liberal arts school in Greenville, South Carolina. And it was a Baptist college until I think like 1995. And then I started in 1999. I'm dating myself here. So it still was private, Southern, still very Southern Baptist in its inclination. But you were evangelical. So how does that jive with being Baptist? Did your parents worry? No, it was sort of the general kind of Protestant, conservative fundamentalists. It wasn't culturally very different than my upbringing. And they give a lot of scholarship money away. So I actually wanted to go to Vanderbilt because I loved Nashville. But I didn't get the full ride and Furman paid for me to go. So that's how I ended up at Furman.
What part of Texas did you grow up in? I grew up in Memphis, actually. Oh, you grew up in Memphis? Yeah. Oh, you just live in—I got chemistry. I live in Texas. My dad was a Top Gun pilot. Oh. So we moved around when I was little, and then he worked for FedEx, and FedEx is in Memphis. Were you suburbs of Memphis? Yeah, like deep exurbs of Memphis. Collierville? I lived in Collierville for two years. Are you serious? I did. That's wild. I did. How did you end up in Collierville? Second and third grade, my dad got a job there. And so we went there. My brother was born there. And then we left. My mom hated it. Collierville Elementary School? Did you go to public school? She hated it. I went to, I think it was Miss Zeman.
That's amazing. Are you there? Are you listening? Cultural overlap. Yes. That's wild. I remember our house compared to the house we had just come from felt like a mansion. Oh, yeah. Where were you coming from? I was coming from Georgia, and it was a small little house, and this felt like a huge house.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–7:52
2
How did Kathryn's upbringing influence her academic journey?
7:52–21:14
3
What is the relationship between genetics and behavior?
21:14–1:24:18
4
What insights are shared about social anxiety and personal preferences?
1:24:18–1:25:12
5
How do personal habits influence household dynamics?
1:25:12–1:26:44
6
What experiences shape nostalgia for childhood homes?
1:26:44–1:28:30
7
How do parenting styles impact children's perceptions of waste?
1:28:30–2:11:39