Keith Payne (on the psychology behind the political divide)
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What is the psychology behind America's political divide?
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, experts on expert. I'm Dax Shepard. I'm joined by Monica Padman.
Hi. Hi.
Hi, I have for six and a half years spoke about one of my favorite books called Broken Ladder. And the author of that book is Keith Payne, who is a professor of psychology at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.
Very esteemed school.
Very. Is it?
Yeah, it is. Of public schools, it's like it is one of the best ones.
Par excellence. Yeah.
Probably with UCLA.
Berkeley.
Berkeley's public?
Yeah. That's the University of California, Berkeley.
Oh.
Can you believe it? That one does feel like Stanford, right?
Yeah, but I think that's for fakes. Oh. Just like University of Arizona State. Hold on a second.
You got to lay off of ASU. They don't have a lazy river. We covered this. They're a good school with good people. Back to Keith. He is, in addition to being a professor, he's also an international leader in the psychology of inequality and discrimination. He has a new book out that is tremendous. It's called Good, Reasonable People, The Psychology Behind America's Dangerous Divide. I hope people will bear with me. I know it's a little bit of my soapbox. So important to me. And I'm so excited that a guy who had written a book completely unrelated to that topic that I absolutely love tackled this topic because I think he did it in such a beautiful way. So check out Good Reasonable People and enjoy Keith Payne.
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Oh, right.
And I get a kickback. Just kidding. I don't. I don't get a kickback.
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Got demolished a lot of that part of the state. It's terrible.
Yeah, I have a friend who lives on the Gulf Coast and he was sending me videos and the house flooded then caught on fire.
Oh my God.
Holy smokes.
Is he okay?
He is okay, but their whole life is upside down.
That's rough. Nobody who lives in the mountains of North Carolina or a lot of the places that this hurricane went ever thought that they would see a hurricane because when hurricanes come in North Carolina, it's like a couple of days of rain if you're not on the coast. Yeah. And so it's getting wild.
Yeah. Similarly, I hope to escape a heat wave that's coming by traveling Wednesday.
Yeah. You do. Yeah. Right home. Missing it.
Let me start by saying, I hope it got back to you. I was the biggest fan of Broken Ladder. Did that ever get to your door that I talked about it a lot?
Like,
I didn't realize the podcast was so big and I didn't know you were who you were at the time. And I found out all this stuff since. And so I was so excited when I got the invitation to come on.
1993.
Same. Oh, yeah.
Oh, you guys are the same age?
Same age. Also, he had sanded down and painted his Monte Carlo by himself or maybe with some help. Your brother did the painting?
My brother owned the body shop, so I did most of the unskilled labor and he did the painting.
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