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900.
I'm so delighted to announce this episode 900 because I'm a bad exaggerator, as you know. I'm actually, no, I'm not even a bad exaggerator. I'm an exaggerator and it doesn't even make sense because it's a marginal exaggeration. The other day I was listening to our show and we had a guest and we were talking about Sedaris and I said, oh yeah, he's been on six times.
And as I was listening, I was like, I know he's been on five times. Why would I have said six? Six isn't better than five.
This is a good thing to know about yourself.
So I'm a 20% exaggerator. But I've been saying we're like, oh, well, I've done 850 of these or whatever. Right. But it actually is 900. 900 today.
So I'm going to start saying 1,000 now.
Oh, gosh.
No, we do not get to say that until we've really done it.
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