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The Great American Designer

27 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: Who are the titans of American fashion design?

0.031 - 27.552 Avery Trufelman

France has its elegant couture from its established ateliers, and Italy has its craftsmanship in its storied houses. But America has brands. Brands that make mass-produced, casual, sporty, comfortable clothing for everyone. And we're a young country, but when you think about it, our fashion design history is even younger. Like, who are the titans of American fashion design?

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27.912 - 45.228 Avery Trufelman

It's Donna Karan, Tommy Hilfiger, Calvin Klein, Ralph Lauren. These designers who are all still alive. But if you want to look at where these great fashion designers got it all from, there was a great American fashion designer who many of them were looking to.

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45.609 - 51.064 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

Calvin Klein, I quote in the book, like he said, she's the one who did it. She's the one who set the stage and set the standard.

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51.128 - 64.28 Avery Trufelman

This is journalist Elizabeth Evitz-Dickinson. We were speaking live on stage at the New York Historical for this interview, hence the little stagey echo. And we were talking about this designer who made so many of the classics of the American wardrobe.

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64.54 - 78.013 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

This was a woman who was responsible for much of what was in my closet. Ballet flats, mix and match separates, wrap dresses, denim and women's wear, hoodies. And I was shocked that I had never heard her name.

77.993 - 87.328 Avery Trufelman

Her name was Claire McArdle, and Elizabeth wrote a brilliant book about her called Claire McArdle, The Designer Who Set Women Free.

87.443 - 98.998 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

And if you talk to designers today, many of them will say that Claire McArdle is part of their design inspiration, whether that's Anna Sui, who I've talked to about her, or Michael Kors or Tory Burch.

99.218 - 128.082 Avery Trufelman

Claire McArdle was doing what many of those designers were doing decades earlier. All of her clothes you could wear today. Claire made halter tops and wrap dresses and leotards and pants with big practical pockets. Generally very cute, totally modern clothes that women would love to wear now. But they were designed at a very different time. Like, this is a designer who was born in 1905.

128.618 - 131.905 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

You had boning in your bodice and you had crinolines.

Chapter 2: What impact did Claire McArdle have on American fashion?

167.638 - 169.039 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

You couldn't get into an elevator.

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169.219 - 173.104 Avery Trufelman

And it's not like Claire could just wear pants. She legally couldn't.

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173.084 - 189.355 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

There were municipal laws. There were vice codes about what you were allowed to wear and not to wear. And a lot of this was about gendering fashion, right? If you were not wearing what was considered appropriate to your gender, you could go to jail.

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189.858 - 210.229 Avery Trufelman

I mean, there were other ones. I kept going through the book. New laws kept popping up all the time. It's like, well, women were required to wear a hat. It's like, seriously? When they went swimming, they had to wear swim stockings. Like, are you kidding me? Like, there's so many things that they had to wear and keep track of at risk of being fined or put in jail.

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210.289 - 225.923 Avery Trufelman

And this lasted kind of a long time. It wasn't just like, oh, when she was a little kid, it was like in her lifetime. I mean, one of my favorite slash least favorite stories was about the kindergarten teacher in Los Angeles.

225.903 - 246.686 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

Can you tell me that one? This was in the 30s, around the time that Claire was just starting to really break out with this unstructured, comfortable sportswear. There was this woman across the coast who got robbed. She was held up, and she was at court to testify against the men who robbed her. But the judge was more concerned by the fact that she was wearing pants.

246.986 - 253.898 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

And he said she needed to go home and change into a dress. And she refused. And he jailed her.

254.439 - 259.468 Avery Trufelman

I forget this. Being a woman was a very different experience in the early 20th century.

259.528 - 263.415 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

There weren't even women's rooms in most public buildings at the time.

Chapter 3: How did Claire McArdle revolutionize women's clothing in the 1930s?

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453.108 - 475.858 Avery Trufelman

The American look was this wholesome, sporty, mass-produced style for the wholesome, sporty, modern woman. And it was pioneered by a whole cohort of designers like Elizabeth Hawes and Bonnie Cashin and Zelda Wynne Valdez. Many of these designers were women. Many of them were Black women. But none were as famous as Claire McArdle.

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476.193 - 478.377 April Callahan

So this is our Claire McArdle collection.

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478.737 - 482.504 Avery Trufelman

In her lifetime, Claire McArdle was really, really famous.

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482.925 - 494.505 April Callahan

Just the sheer amount of press that we're looking at here speaks to her presence within American fashion at the time. We're looking at like five linear feet of material that are just Claire's press clippings.

494.485 - 515.498 Avery Trufelman

I got a tour through the library of the Fashion Institute of Technology from April Callahan, who you might recognize as the co-host of Dressed, the fantastic podcast about fashion. In her old day job, April was the special collections associate at FIT, which has this great collection of Claire McArdle clippings. Oh, that is so cute. Oh my God, I love that look. And that was Claire?

515.697 - 519.821 April Callahan

Yeah, I mean, these are Claire's designs. She did model her own designs, though, quite frequently.

520.081 - 527.409 Avery Trufelman

Claire McArdle was even on the cover of Time magazine in 1955. She was a constant source of public fascination.

527.629 - 529.631 Unknown

Is this a profile of her? Yeah, from Vogue.

Chapter 4: What challenges did women face in fashion during Claire's time?

585.659 - 596.154 April Callahan

Right? So the stripes on the skirt are running vertical, but the pockets are running horizontally. So it's like this very simple design element that's smart.

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596.495 - 606.589 Avery Trufelman

A spunky, clever, all-American style by a spunky, clever, all-American girl. And Claire was always called a girl.

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606.62 - 614.169 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

Every article I read that was written in her lifetime basically called her a girl. Author Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson again. She was still called a girl at 50.

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614.59 - 635.935 Avery Trufelman

So that girl thing is, of course, super condescending. And it's really different from the refined lady designers of Europe, like Coco Chanel or Elsa Schiaparelli. But Claire McArdle also had a really different approach than they did. Claire had this more youthful, exuberant quality to her. She was always more of a tomboy.

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635.915 - 648.017 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

I think that growing up in rural Maryland with three brothers helped a lot because she was out running around in the countryside and she had this great quote that said, a dress can be pretty, but climbing a tree in it, forget it.

648.301 - 666.927 Avery Trufelman

From a young age, Claire understood that her brothers could do things that she couldn't, in part because of what they wore. Claire said, I want to go to New York after high school. And she's like, I want to make clothes. Claire's father was baffled and would not allow it. And I see where he was coming from. The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire had just happened.

667.648 - 670.472 Avery Trufelman

The garment industry in New York was not a glamorous thing.

Chapter 5: How did World War II influence Claire McArdle's designs?

670.632 - 672.655 Avery Trufelman

It was a dangerous thing.

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672.635 - 676.921 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

She eventually wore her parents down and was on a train up to Parsons.

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677.282 - 686.395 Avery Trufelman

And because, as you know, at the time there were very few places that a young woman could live alone in New York City, Claire stayed in a place called the Three Arts Club.

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686.695 - 697.293 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

And the Three Arts Club was meant for women any age, really. It wasn't just for college students, but there were a lot of college students there. She had a safe place to live and come home to every night.

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697.493 - 708.919 Avery Trufelman

And the Three Arts Club ended up being really vital for Claire's career because another woman who lived at the Three Arts Club connected Claire with a manufacturer and a designer named Robert Turk.

708.983 - 728.776 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

And it's interesting because when I read originally about Robert Turk, I thought he was decades older than Claire because the way that magazine articles and newspaper articles at the time discuss a young man as being already fully formed and made. And I was shocked to learn they were like a few years older. apart in age.

728.796 - 733.183 Avery Trufelman

And Claire was being called like a gal. But anyway, Claire began working with Turk.

733.203 - 744.902 Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

Turk was this young man who was very entrepreneurial, started his own line. And what Turk was doing was he was copying Paris like every other designer. In the United States, everyone copied Paris.

744.942 - 762.506 Avery Trufelman

That's just what was done. But there were two ways to copy the designs from Paris. The legal way to do it was you licensed it. You could work with a couture house to buy an edition of a design to make a licensed copy. This is what a lot of department stores did. But the way everybody really did it in New York was they stole it.

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