Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to the Astral Codex X podcast for the 19th of December 2025. Title, Against Against Boomers. This is an audio version of Astral Codex X, Scott Alexander's Substack. If you like it, you can subscribe at astralcodex10.substack.com. 1. Hating boomers is the cool new thing.
Amazon offerings include A Generation of Sociopaths, How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America, and two apparently unrelated books, How the Boomers Took Their Children's Future, and How the Boomers Stole Millennials' Future, and Boomers, The Men and Women Who Promised Freedom But Delivered Disaster. You don't hate boomers enough has become a popular Twitter catchphrase.
Richard Hanania, who has tried hating every group once, has decided that hating boomers is his favourite. Some people might say we just experienced a historic upwelling of identity politics, that it was pretty terrible for everyone involved, and that perhaps we need a new us-versus-them conflict like we need a punch to the face.
This, the boomer haters will tell you, would be a mistaken generalisation. This time, we have finally discovered a form of identity politics which carves reality at its joints, truly separating the good and bad people. I think these arguments fall short. Even if they didn't, the usual bias against identity politics should make us think twice about pursuing them too zealously. 2.
Why exactly are boomers so bad? Zooming out, it sort of seems like boomers have delivered the greatest period of peace and prosperity in history. Global, American, take your pick. The window of boomer dominance, circa 1980 to 2010, saw the fall of communism, steadily rising incomes, steadily growing life expectancy, and no foreign wars bigger than Iraq, with a total American death toll of 4,500.
The boomers could reasonably blame their greatest generation fathers for sending them to die in Vietnam.
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Chapter 2: What makes hating boomers a trending topic today?
Those greatest generation fathers could reasonably blame their fathers for plunging the country into a Great Depression. In comparison, we're mad about... What, exactly? Higher housing prices? Hardly seems World War-level bad. Earlier this month we investigated the Vibe Session. The economists claim that, despite everyone thinking the economy is bad, actually the economy is good.
We reached no firm conclusion, but in the process we dug up this chart. Link in post. Here's a chart. It's titled, He's Got Money, But Not Too Much. United States median income after taxes and transfers in 2019 prices. So it has age in years along the x-axis from 15 to 89, and income on the y-axis, and then we have lines for each of the different generations.
And we see that Gen Z, born 1997 to 2012, are currently higher than any of the other lines. And millennials higher than the others as well. Scott writes, which shows that millennials in Generation Z have more money, adjusted for inflation that is cost of living and compared at the same age, than their boomer parents, to about the same degree that the boomers exceeded their own parents.
This is good and how it should be. The boomers have successfully passed on a better life to their children. The liberals make fun of Schrƶdinger's immigrant, who is both a lazy welfare parasite and also stealing your job. But equally sinister is Schrƶdinger's boomer, who destroyed America through being simultaneously too far right and too far left.
Progressives accuse boomers of instituting market-worshipping neoliberalism, failing the challenge of climate change, and resisting the arc of history on issues like trans rights and Palestine.
But conservatives accuse the same boomers of over-regulating everything in the name of the environment, in quotes, shutting down the nuclear plants, and starting the trend towards gay race communism, with their hippy-dippy 60s values. In reality, the difference between generations on any of these things is barely noticeable. Here's a chart. It shows support levels for boomers and millennials.
For climate change is personally important. We see 65 versus 75% roughly, respectively, for boomers and millennials. Support more nuclear plants. 65 and 75 again, roughly. And voted Trump in 2024. Just under 50% for boomers and just over 45% for millennials. Scott writes, it's not even clear that boomers are that much more likely to be NIMBYs. From Pew. So here's a chart.
Strong majorities across age groups support policies to allow more housing. The share in favour of each approach. So we have bars for 18 to 29, 30 to 49, 50 to 64 and 65 plus years old. For four questions. Allow apartments near transit or job centres. Lowest support among the youngest, 77%. Highest support among the oldest, 82%.
Require simplified faster permitting, 83-88% from youngest to oldest. Allow townhouses and small multifamily on any residential lot, youngest has 68%, oldest 46%. And allow building of homes closer together with smaller yards, youngest 52%, oldest 45%. Scott captions it, source, selected the most interesting questions from here, link in post.
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Chapter 3: Why do some argue that boomers delivered peace and prosperity?
In 1993, they made Social Security more taxable. Since then, most of the changes have been cost-of-living increases, which are indexed to inflation and not the result of active lobbying on old people's behalf. So why do many believe that old people have discovered a vote-themselves-infinite-benefits hack?
Since old people represent an increasing fraction of the population, are living longer, and face a secular trend of rising healthcare costs, even when their benefits per capita per year are stable or declining, the government will spend more money on them as a group. This spending is indeed rapidly becoming unsustainable.
The elderly will need to accept big benefit cuts to make it sustainable again, and they are resisting those cuts. So, have we finally discovered the fabled boomer selfishness? Call it what you want, but remember that the boomers did pay money into social security to support their own parents, believing that they would be supported in turn.
Learning that yours is the generation where the pyramid collapses is a hard pill to swallow. Maybe they should suck it up and take the sacrifice. You'd do this, right? Voluntarily give up money which is yours by right in order to help other generations. Oh, sorry, you didn't hear the question. You were too busy writing your 500th. You don't hate boomers enough. Why won't they hurry up and die?
We need to declare intergenerational warfare and seize our rightful inheritance. Post. 4. Maybe I'm wrong about all of this. There are different ways to analyse the data. For example, Medicare Part D is a genuine expansion of healthcare to the old, albeit one pass at a time when it benefited silent generationers instead of boomers.
I counted it under, healthcare is getting more expensive, so we need more healthcare programs. But maybe I shouldn't have. Maybe it's greed. And what about Europe? I hear the pension situation is even worse there. Maybe the boomers there are greedy, and I'm missing it due to my Americocentrism. If that's so, my question becomes, do we really want to do this again?
Consider the campaign against property taxes, another purported example of boomer malevolence. I couldn't find polling on this, so I didn't include it above. If the polls come in, and they prove that it's disproportionately supported by boomers, does this prove their greed and selfishness? After all, boomers own most of the property, so shifting the tax burden elsewhere directly benefits them.
I'll answer this question with a question. Suppose that the polls show that support is concentrated among white people. This is very likely true. White people are usually the biggest tax cut proponents. And we know white people on average own more property than black people and therefore stand to benefit more. Does this make the tax cuts a form of race warfare? A perpetuation of white supremacy?
An example of greedy white people trying to keep minorities down for their own selfish gain? You sure can find one billion people talking about how tax cuts are racially biased or opposed to equity or something. Here are ten links, etc. It's no devastating rebuttal to declare oneself tired of something. Still, I'm tired of this.
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