Chapter 1: What are the latest true crime headlines discussed?
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Chapter 2: How is the documentary Love Con Revenge structured?
And Ruby Bartzis. Hello. And every single Sunday night from six till seven, we'll bring you the latest headlines, true crime book and documentary recommendations and interviews. Coming up later this hour, we'll talk to Ashley Freckleton, one of the central voices in the Apple TV docuseries, Twisted Yoga. But up next, the latest breaking true crime news.
This week marked 100 days since Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of US Today show host Savannah Guthrie, went missing. The local sheriff's department issuing a statement saying they remain fully committed to the investigation despite three months passing since her disappearance. New South Wales launches inquiry into whether Ivan Malat committed far more murders than he was convicted of.
This investigation could possibly link the backpacker killer to some of the 58 unsolved murders and missing person cases in New South Wales. Families hope the review will finally uncover answers after decades of uncertainty. And the man accused of abducting and killing Kumanjai Little Baby has been excused from appearing in court in Alice Springs.
47-year-old Jefferson Lewis is facing three charges, including one count of murder after the five-year-old girl was found dead. The case will return to court in July.
I thought Kumunjai Little Baby was this child's name, which I thought was beautiful. I mean, it's a devastating story.
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Chapter 3: What insights does Ashleigh Freckleton provide about Twisted Yoga?
We see the photo of this little girl and it's awful. But you pointed out to me, you said, no, I don't think that is her name. I think that's, so I Googled it and I found this. It's fascinating. Kumunjai is a term used among Walpiri and other Central Australian Aboriginal language groups to replace the birth name of any person who has passed away honouring their spirit.
And then, so I guess I see the combination of little baby is telling us that the lost person is a little girl, a little baby. God, it's so awful, that story. So tragic.
But in a way, there's no but, but in a way it takes me back to the Ivan Milat story, which is thinking that, you know, if there's 58 unsolved murders in New South Wales, that's 58 sets of parents, that's 58, you know, all of them were someone's baby. And to lose someone and not know... for such a long period of time, how, why, where, who. It's devastating.
Yeah, and it's decades. It's not like it's even recent.
I think there is a temptation to pin any missing person on Ivan Milat. I've noticed over the last couple of years there's lots of, where was Ivan when that person went missing? Because he did work around Australia a lot. He did move around a lot. And the fact that he was convicted of eight murders in the end does feel a bit light to me.
Yeah, and I mean, you'd have to be pretty unlucky to get caught for everything. If you're a serial killer, you get caught for every single one.
Particularly where he was, I mean, Belanglo State Forest, for one thing, the fact that they found those remains in the first place was an incredible long shot, a million to one. And I remember watching a documentary about it and they were talking specifically about the Australian outback and it's something like it's made up of so many colours. Like, I don't notice that.
When I look at the bush, I see, I don't know, green, pale green. And they were like, no, when you really break it down, it's got every colour in the kaleidoscope in it. which makes it hard to see anything in it, if that makes sense. So one of the sets of remains from the Ivan Milat case was wearing an orange T-shirt and was found in the orange T-shirt.
But from a couple of metres away, you couldn't see it. Even a colour as bright as orange blended in, camouflaged. Wow. Yeah. So the fact that he was caught at all is quite miraculous. Yeah. And the fact that they found the remains they did is miraculous.
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Chapter 4: What are the details surrounding Nancy Guthrie's disappearance?
He never led them to any. So I can understand the thinking that there's probably others.
Yeah, but at the same time, you're right, they kind of do make him a bit of a boogeyman in terms of he's responsible for every missing person's case.
I've met families who've had a missing person from those decades that he was alive, basically, and have said, you know, does make you wonder, does make you wonder if they ran into Ivan Milat.
Absolutely.
What an awful thing to have to wonder about someone you love. But we will definitely keep tabs on the story of beautiful little Kamajai little baby. Coming up, we have an interview with Ashley Freckleton. She is sort of the lead lady in the documentary series Twisted Yoga that's on Apple. It's a good documentary and she is an amazing lady.
And also we're going to have another documentary recommendation for you. This is a Tinder. I mean, Tinder, I'm realising, is offering up an endless array of documentary fodder. Don't you love it when someone gives you a great recommendation for a new true crime documentary or even a classic one that you haven't seen? We'll talk about that over the weeks. We'll talk about great true crime books.
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Chapter 5: How does the inquiry into Ivan Malat's potential additional murders unfold?
But today I have a documentary for you. How familiar are you with the Tinder swindler?
I've heard of it. You know, I've never actually seen it.
No clue. Really? No. I thought, Ruby, you'd be all over it. Are you all over Tinder? Is that a rude question for us? I've been in a relationship for six years. Okay. So I think a lot of people who are on Tinder would have clicked on this documentary, right? Well, this is the sort of next step.
Now, one of the ladies from that documentary, one of the victims, is now running her own show on Netflix where she and a private investigator go and investigate other swindlers. Love Condor Revenge. And it's so good.
As in, what, is every episode a different swindler?
Yeah, every episode's a different victim, usually a lady, obviously, and usually a beautiful lady, maybe middle-aged lady who's divorced, got grown-up kids.
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Chapter 6: What tragic story is shared about Kumanjai Little Baby?
We all know this trope. And she's trying out internet dating for the first time or she's chatting on Facebook or something and this amazing man just appears out of nowhere and they just have so much in common and such a connection. She's so excited. Yeah. And then it goes horribly wrong. Here's a little bit of the trailer.
So I'll give you this short story. So I'm not the swindler. I'm just a guy who did the best I can. And I've been supported by wonderful people. And I'm talking $10,000 every month. I never thought that I would become a victim of romance fraud. I gave him $150,000. $2 million of debt. These scammers have been getting away with this for way too long. Rayon Joseph is a private investigator.
You recognize this guy? That's him in the green. Go, go, go. I'm like a pit bull. When I grab hold of something, I don't let it go. He's hauling ass now. Haul ass with him. We're going to find them. I'll find his Facebook page. Hide. Expose them. You're robbing me. Where the tears are real and bring them to justice. Show me your hands doing that. Fuck you.
Imagine if, you know, you've upset one woman, the classic expression, you know, about a woman scorned, and now she's got two girlfriends with her, one of whom is a famous scorned love fraud victim and the other is a private investigator, and they're so motivated to catch these guys. It's like it's got an element of cops and cheaters about it,
I was going to say, it reminds me of that old cheaters show where they would go meet them in the... So are they meeting the swindlers mid-act or is it someone suspicious that they're being swindled and then they find that out?
No. Or is it ones that have been swindled? We know they've been swindled, but usually they've got another victim on the go. By the time this team catches up with them, there's normally some other poor lady standing next to him with a handbag, clutching her handbag, going, what's going on, Gary? And he's like, nothing, nothing, wait in the car. So it's quite something.
It's very cathartic, I think, for a lot of women to watch this show. One of the swindlers has recently been sentenced to three years prison in Rhode Island for his swindle. And so he's on one of the episodes of this show. And the lady, I think the courts awarded her about $15,000 in damages, but she had given him about $60,000. Wow. I tell you what it does.
It tells me something I already knew, but it's a really good heads up for all of us is that when somebody comes into your life and appears to love everything you love, this was the red flag for me. Every one of these cases is about someone meeting a guy and just going, oh my God, I'd never had a connection like this in my life. Never met anyone I've got so much in common with in my life.
That's the red flag. That's the first thing you have to be careful of because in all of these cases, the guy was making it up. The guy was listening to you go, oh, Ruby's got a nice big dog. I've seen a photo of her dog. I'm just going to go on and on about how much I love big dogs. It's so horrible. It's like the perfect victim. Right.
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