In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast host Sam Believ (founder of www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Paul F. Austin. Paul is a leading pioneer in the modern psychedelic movement, founder of Third Wave, author of Mastering Microdosing, host of The Psychedelic Podcast, and head of the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. He focuses on psychedelic education, microdosing protocols, and training practitioners to help scale the responsible use of these medicines in the modern world. We touch upon topics of 00:01–00:44 Introduction to Paul F. Austin and his work 00:44–03:14 Paul’s early LSD experiences and conservative upbringing 03:14–04:17 First microdosing protocol and founding Third Wave 04:18–07:08 Convincing his parents and guiding his dad through a mushroom journey 07:09–10:01 Parent–child healing and psychedelic experiences together 10:02–13:29 The “third wave” of psychedelics explained (indigenous → LSD era → today) 13:30–15:45 Microdosing as the safest path to legalization and cultural acceptance 15:46–17:29 Stepwise dosing and retreat philosophies 17:30–20:16 Why different psychedelics require different approaches 20:17–22:09 Psilocybin tolerance and retreat spacing strategies 22:10–27:29 Microdosing LSD vs psilocybin vs wachuma 27:30–30:48 Vine-only microdosing and adaptogenic effects 30:49–35:34 Psychedelics vs SSRIs and the “crutch” metaphor 35:35–41:39 Importance of psychedelic education and practitioner training 41:40–45:38 Addiction, cannabis dependence, and integration 45:39–49:15 “CEO medicine” and psychedelics for conscious leadership 49:16–52:27 What Paul is excited about in 2026 and the future of psychedelics If you would like to attend one of our Ayahuasca retreats go to www.lawayra.com Find more about Paul F. Austin at thethirdwave.co and follow him on social media at @PaulAustin3W

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