How Robinhood is using the SEC's New Innovation Exemption | Johann Kerbrat
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How is Robinhood bringing tokenized stocks to the U.S. market?
Fankless Nature and I'm once again joined by Johan from Robinhood.
What is the mechanism behind Robinhood’s stock tokens?
Johan, good to see you, my man.
Why are traditional‑finance firms pushing back on tokenized stocks?
Good to see you.
How do voting rights and in‑kind redemption add DeFi utility to stock tokens?
How
have you been?
What happens when stock tokens trade on weekends and after‑hours?
Good.
Could blockchain become the primary market for equities?
It is a fantastic time to be in crypto.
What early traction has Robinhood Chain seen and what metrics illustrate it?
It's a fantastic time to have one foot in crypto and one foot in TradFi, which is why I wanted to bring you back onto the show today.
What future products (real‑estate, gold, perps) is Robinhood planning beyond stock tokens?
Also, Robinhood and Robinhood chain definitely seems to be the center of attention in the crypto industry. First question, Johan, as we get started, how busy are you these days?
It's been busy, but I think it's good to be busy when you're on crypto. It means that, you know, the market is up or that there's things going on and that people are excited to build. So uh it's been a lot of fun, to be honest.
Uh today we are recording the morning of the innovation exemption out of the SEC. This is on the backs of the failure to uh of Clear of the Clarity Act to proceed forward. And then the next day we get this innovation exemption from the SEC about the tokenized stock uh movement happening on chain. How does the innovation exemption impact you guys, what you guys are doing at Robinhood? Is this for you? Is this for you what you guys are building or is this for somebody else?
Well, two things. One is, you know, pretty sad that the Clarity Act was kind of uh killed uh a few days ago. I think uh we still need to have this federal level regulation so that things are not constantly changing and so that more and more institutions can feel confident about building uh in crypto for for the long term. Um obviously super excited about the the innovation exemption. I think it really means that tokenization is also ready for the US, not just something that we should keep doing um overseas. So uh for us, it means that we can bring a lot of the products that we've been building for a long time onshore. Um and and that's really where we're going to see um companies like Robin and being able to have their traditional offering and also crypto and merging things together.
So Really excited overall. Um there is still a lot of details to kind of understand from the exemption, but so far it seems like it's fairly um open to really create this tokenization world that we've been talking about for for so long now. So um I I'm pretty happy about the the the the text so far.
So the Robin Hood tokenized stock product is not like a one-to-one representation of an equity. There's some uh some lossiness because it is a debt security, not a it's not actually the stock. And as I understand it with the uh e innovation exemption from the SEC, they're trying to make uh a lane, a pathway, guidance for People to make actual tokenized securities that have a very high fidelity relationship. And what that includes is permissioning and KYC for the ability to trade, which is not exactly what the Robinhood tokenized stock product is. And so if Robinhood does lean into the innovation exemption, is it going you guys gonna have to build a new set of products that do comply with this innovation exemption in addition to the pre existing Robinhood chain stock tokens?
Is that is that the path forward that you guys see or what how does this proceed?
Yeah, I think it's a little too early for us to to share exactly our plan there, but I I think it's right that we want to adapt to the regulation of whatever country or our products are live to. And and a lot of the reason why we built our own chain and our own stock tokens and our own wallet is to actually be able to control this type of compliance requirements that we have depending on the region. And unfortunately, you know, we don't have Have a regulation framework for the entire world. So every country has different um compliance and so we have to adapt to that. To your point on the stock tokens, so it is a representation one-to-one. So every time someone buys a stock token, uh we mint uh the token, and at the same time we buy the stock.
Um so you know on that front there is no concern to to have uh when there's a lot of tokens being minted, it means that we're buying a lot of the stock of whatever company um that that people are acquiring the tokens of.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How is Robinhood bringing tokenized stocks to the U.S. market?
0:03–0:06
2
What is the mechanism behind Robinhood’s stock tokens?
0:06–0:08
3
Why are traditional‑finance firms pushing back on tokenized stocks?
0:08–0:08
4
How do voting rights and in‑kind redemption add DeFi utility to stock tokens?
0:08–0:09
5
What happens when stock tokens trade on weekends and after‑hours?
0:09–0:10
6
Could blockchain become the primary market for equities?
0:10–0:12
7
What early traction has Robinhood Chain seen and what metrics illustrate it?
0:12–0:19
8
What future products (real‑estate, gold, perps) is Robinhood planning beyond stock tokens?
0:19–37:25
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