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Episode 4728: Trump's Maximalist Strategy; Pause To Ukraine Peace Efforts

23 Aug 2025

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Chapter 1: What is Trump's retribution campaign against his political enemies?

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Before you go, we're about to talk about Trump's retribution campaign we're seeing at the FBI and the Justice Department. You're obviously on his enemies list, at least Kash Patel's enemies list. Are you worried that they're going to come after you in some way? I mean, he's hinted at it before.

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Well, I think he's already come after me and several others in withdrawing the protection that we had from the Iranians for the attack on Qasem Soleimani. So I think, and I said in the new forward to the paperback edition of my book, I think it is a retribution, President. Aid for TV attempt at an authoritarian takeover just so happens to be consuming the news cycle after news cycle.

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But here's the thing. It is also very real and exactly what it looks like. It's not just a show or a distraction. It's the real thing. They are sending troops into the streets.

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They are occupying the Capitol. They have a secret police force that is scooping people up, that is demanding people's ID. They have an enemies list. They have the state security apparatus targeting political opponents.

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Chapter 2: How are the FBI and Justice Department involved in Trump's strategy?

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In fact, we're being told the FBI search on John Bolton's home and office was part of a, quote, national security investigation in search of classified records. Some more familiar with the matter confirmed to NBC News. But since his time in the first Trump administration, Bolton has come out as a vocal critic of the president.

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Chris, if you're the attorney general of New York or the junior senator from the state of California, two other sort of high-profile perceived political enemies of the president of the United States, makes pretty clear, doesn't it, what the president thinks about his political enemies and what might happen to them next? Yeah, I think that should be a real concern for them and for all Americans.

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I don't think there's a limit necessarily to what this administration is planning on doing against the enemies list.

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109.432 - 117.805 Kash Patel

You know, just a couple of weeks ago, you know, there was an AI generated video of President Obama being arrested in the Oval Office.

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117.785 - 146.13 Stephen K. Bannon

um and you know then this opening of this broad investigation by the odni so i think anything they consider anything fair game here and you know we should be concerned about you know the utilization of the fbi as a tool in this political witch hunt so today could have been just uh you know the first first shot in this campaign. So we should see how this unfolds.

146.571 - 172.252 Stephen K. Bannon

Listen, my emotions have vacillated all day. First of all, I have complete confidence in the integrity and professionalism of the FBI. If the investigators found new information, part of an investigation into Ambassador Bolton that indicated that he was involved in a crime and then sought a search warrant, that would be one thing. But the timing was very suspicious.

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Now it looks like that information was provided to them by the director of the CIA, a fierce loyalist to the president. And it really gives me pause.

183.327 - 202.855 John Bolton

I don't recall ever seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody. In the times that I was with him, he was a gentleman in all respects.

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Are you saying there's a possibility then that you do nothing if Putin doesn't come to the table for a ceasefire? I'll see whose fault it is. If there are reasons why, I'll understand that. I know exactly what I'm doing. We're going to see whether or not they have a meeting. That'll be interesting to see. And if they don't, why didn't they have a meeting? Because I told them to have a meeting.

Chapter 3: What concerns arise from the FBI's investigation of John Bolton?

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But for the moment, you have to kind of look at it and say, OK, maybe there is there is something serious here, but there's also a retribution campaign going on. And you have to say, well, what's really happening here?

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370.938 - 385.392 Jack Posobiec

And it gets back to that simple principle that if you, as a very powerful politician, the president of the United States, talk about ongoing investigations and what you want done to your enemies, when stuff is done to them, people tend to think you are behind it. It's the norm now.

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As soon as something happens, in any incident I've been on the news about, it's like the cabinet secretaries are racing to get it on X to show their favoritism. I got there first. I talked about it. So I'd say it was singular in this one as troubling. But that's just the norm now between Homeland Defense and FBI. That never happened before.

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I mean, Jim Comey got a ton of it for what he started to do when he talked about something. But he was backed into a corner. But now it's just it's the norm as soon as it happens. And then the leak to the Post today on this. So it definitely is. It's going to continue. It's unbelievable.

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Early this morning, the Texas Senate approved new congressional maps. They're designed to give Republicans up to five more seats in next year's midterms. And now that the vote has cleared, the final legislative hurdle heads to Governor Greg Abbott's desk, and Democrats are vowing to fight back in court.

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In California, Governor Gavin Newsom and state Democrats, so they're pushing their own maps to offset GOP games. The voters will have the next say here in November when they'll decide whether to override the state's independent commission and adopt the new lines.

461.917 - 473.172 Stephen K. Bannon

I mean, I was told this morning by a senior FBI official that this was definitely not just about the book, that it was about a kind of drip, drip, drip of leaks by Bolton, including after 2020.

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There was also a report by Jack Posobiec this morning who said that the CIA director, John Radcliffe, had actually given. FBI Director Kash Patel information that might have pertained to this raid.

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I mean, I think what's important, I went back and reread John Bolton's book today. And I mean, you have to put this in some context, which is that we're in the midst of an administration that is genuinely appearing to prosecute Russiagate, the long or the Russiagate hoax, I should say, the long ongoing conspiracy to remove Trump from office. Bolton was directly involved in the 2019 impeachment.

Chapter 4: How does the conversation shift to Ukraine peace efforts?

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Do you think this is a prelude to Brennan, Clapper, Comey, a lot of the other rapscallions who conspired to sabotage a presidency?

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546.14 - 552.049 Jack Posobiec

I mean, look, I've been told and I'm sure you've heard this, too, is that the Trump administration is serious. The Department of Justice is serious.

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552.069 - 562.864 Stephen K. Bannon

The FBI is serious about prosecuting the Russia collusion hoax. That is what it looks like. And when you kind of look at the whole thing, I mean, to some extent, they're making it up as they go along.

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563.365 - 577.005 Jack Posobiec

But I mean, we had emails we had intelligence released a couple of weeks ago that suggested that Adam Schiff, That a conversation with Adam Schiff where he said that they were looking for, you know, maybe not criminal prosecution, but possibly impeachment.

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That was way back in 2017. Get to 2019. They get that first impeachment. And you see Bolton again saying he's he's being very creative in his book, describing all the ways in which he thought that.

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Trump should have been charged with impeachment or should the impeachment process should have gone in criticizing the Democrats for making their scope too narrow.

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He wanted it to just be around a whole set of decisions that John Bolton happened to disagree with and make that the basis of impeaching the president. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

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I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann. It's Saturday, 23 August, Year of Our Lord 2025. Welcome to the War Room. We've got a lot to talk about today on the maximalist strategy.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of the potential meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy?

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I'm not going to put the name of it and then just private. I can do that on live TV. I'm not seeing the usual suspects come in real hot and heavy here just yet, other than Jack Posobiec, who sort of took the role as kind of the heir to being the next Rush Limbaugh. He's been blasting out the thing about Maxwell saying that Epstein, she believes, didn't kill himself. Wow.

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The heir to Rush Limbaugh. Jack, that's a pretty big mantle. I think that's Jake LaHutt. That's Jake LaHutt. He's a pretty sophisticated reporter.

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Chapter 6: What challenges does Zelenskyy face in the context of U.S. support?

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What say you, sir? Before we get back into this, what say you, sir? Are you taking the mantle of Rush Limbaugh? Look, Steve, there's only one Rush Limbaugh, the harmless little fuzzball, an all-around good guy, the maha-rushy, the most dangerous man in America.

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However, I will say that for many years, I was a student of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies and the Excellence in Broadcasting Network. So great. Let's go back to Bolton. You broke some big news. Let's explain to the audience what's going on. When Bongino sends this thing out, says public corruption, your antenna went up.

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This is deeper just into the book, in the classified, in the yellow legal pads and all that. That may be part of it. I was pretty surprised how many boxes they took out of his house yesterday. What are we talking about here? Because it sounds like when you say public corruption, it sounds like Bolton in some way was potentially monetizing access. Is that what we're talking about?

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Well, I mean, that's the definition of public corruption, monetizing your office. And in this case, monetizing access to the president or essentially monetizing policy or leverage. And if you go all the way back to twenty eighteen.

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When they talked about Bolton's time at the NSC, there is in fact an article from Politico that it pinged my memory talking all about a longtime colleague and lobbyist. of John Bolton named Matthew Friedman, a guy that he had brought in to be a consultant for staffing and a consultant on the outside, even while Bolton was working on the inside.

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And these individuals, so he had Friedman on the outside, Matthew Friedman, and then this other guy, Charles Kupperman. And it says in the political article right here, another Bolton friend has joined him at the NSC to help weigh job applications. And this, of course, is in the wake of H.R. McMaster being ousted following policy classes with President Trump and others.

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And, of course, the issue that they were talking about was this individual's business ties potentially to foreign contacts and potentially to other influences that were coming in as Bolton would be current national security advisor for President Trump there in the White House. Friedman was on the transition team initially for the first couple of weeks and then was fired for some screw-ups.

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I think it was told some screw-ups. But what's disturbing – and Kupperman, I think, tried to – Yeah, I think Kupperman came in for – I think Kupperman one time was either the deputy or the assistant to the deputy or chief of staff, right? He had a very prominent role. Friedman is also alleged very tight with Mossad.

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Do you think the law of unintended consequences is going to play in here, that you're going to see a lot of Bolton's direct contacts with Ukraine intelligence and with Mossad, Jack Posobiec? Well, Steve, this is going to call it all into question. Whatever foreign contacts were applying for access to the White House, potentially domestic contacts as well. It's very simple.

Chapter 7: How is urban warfare in Gaza City compared to past conflicts?

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You can't take a detainee or in this case, a prisoner's word at its face value. You've got to go back and do the process of source validation. And people say, how do you validate a source? How do you know they're telling you the truth? Source validation is an ongoing process. process.

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So any good investigator is going to take the word of their source, but then go match that up with what other data do you have out there? Do you have other informants? Do you have other sources of information? Do you have other data points using SIGINT or communications intelligence, whatever else, documentary intelligence, docx?

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Uh, like we've seen, of course, these questions about the files, other, some of the girls that they've come out and, and said various things that contradict what Ghislaine Maxwell said here. So it really is a good, I think it's a great start. I think it's a great start. The fact that it happened, I think that Todd Blanche did a fantastic job and we'll see, we'll see.

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I think there's a lot of nuggets in there, but this is nowhere. This is just scraping the tip of the iceberg. I want to hold – I know you've got stuff for the family. I just want to hold you. I've got to get to Ukraine and Gaza for a second. But I've got 60 seconds here.

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Pam Bondi did say, I think on February 21st, either February or March, I think it was February 21st, that on her desk was the clients list that they were going through. You guys went to the White House and got a document that you guys, you and D.C. Drain, et cetera, were not happy with. Maxwell just said there is no client list. How do you square that?

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Well, I would say the question is, you know, what is a list? How do you define list? So is a list something that they write down or is a list something that an investigator puts together when you're tracking all of the money and you're tracking all of the people who... So I think that's really something that people are playing semantic games with. Let's take a short break. Jack, I don't know.

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When the AG says it's on my desk, I got a list. You imagine it's like a grocery list, right? It's a list. Anyway, short break. Post on the other side, Harnwell, Jenny Beth Martin, all of it this morning in the Word. According to the Department of Energy, blackouts could increase by 10,000% over the next few years. It's because of massive energy demand from artificial intelligence data centers.

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Chapter 8: What strategies are discussed for addressing issues in major U.S. cities?

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There's no statues for the young men of the Eighth Air Force. There's no statues for those that freed the camps. No statue. But the statue for Angleton of the CIA. Also, the interesting thing about Maxwell. is the whole controversy about technology that they were able to get back in those days that gave them access to be able to look everywhere.

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And this gets to some of the big questions about Palantir and some of these other companies today about the surveillance technology, exactly who's financing it, who owns it, who controls all of it. Let me go to Ukraine. As you're speaking about Ukraine with Maxwell, let's go to Ukraine. Finally, we're getting some reality checks, Jack Posobiec.

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The Washington Post got a big story today, but it's a culmination of a couple of things that's happened. If you have been following the war room, you're getting the straight skinny, not the happy talk at Fox, not the happy talk at NBC and CNN. The reality is that the chaperones, right, the chaperones, England, Italy, France, and Germany had nothing to offer.

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It was all trying to entrap President Trump and stepping up for everything, the United States for everything on security guarantees and money. And they've got out it all over the place. As you know, Jack, every newspaper has been reporting how their military is saying, we don't have the money to do this. We want the weapons. The Germans said, hey, we sent a brigade to Lithuania. We're tapped out.

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The head of the union of the German army, yes, the German army actually has a union of their soldiers, this colonel, and he was as blunt as anybody. He says, this is ridiculous. This is a bluff and prey strategy. We don't have the manpower. We don't have the arms. He called the European nations individually military dwarves. And he said, this is just a fantasy. Nothing's going to happen.

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Europe has nothing to offer in Ukraine. I think someone that understands that after you looked him in the eye, Jack Posobiec, and the reason the polls did not come over, President Trump, I think, fully appreciates now. And the Washington Post story talks about that. Two weeks. What are we looking at, Jack Posobiec?

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Well, Steve, there's this buried way, way down in this new piece up in the Washington Post today. People can see the headline is Land for Peace, Ukrainians Way Frozen Frontline to Placate Russia. And way, way down, one of Zelensky's top advisors and a guy who's always talking in media is this individual politician.

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Timothy Milovanov, and Milovanov, he's the director of the Kiev School of Economics. He's also advisor to Zelensky directly. And he says right to the Washington Post in print on the record that Zelensky is being put under a lot of pressure. He is being threatened that there will be no longer financial support or intelligence support. And in Ukraine, within Ukraine, no one will defend him. So...

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It seems as though, in one perspective, he's getting the squeeze from the American side, and of course we've seen President Trump put pressure on both Ukraine and Russia to push this thing to a close, but also we have to look at the fact that... that he's getting, that Zelensky's facing internal political pressure inside Ukraine.

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