Bannon`s War Room
Episode 4861: Remembering The Fallen Marines; The Next Generation Of MAGA
18 Oct 2025
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Chapter 1: What is the primal scream of a dying regime?
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
It's Saturday, 18 October, Year of Our Lord 2025. We're here in Texas today, north of DFW. I've got Brian Harrison joins me for this hour. And because we're focused on grassroots in Texas, we've also got Lee Wamsgans. Wamsgans is going to be with us. She's running for the Senate. She's going to join us co-host for the next hour.
We're also juggling all the information we're getting out of the Moms for Liberty Summit down in Orlando, Florida. And we're going to be going shortly about Marine Corps 250, the 250th anniversary celebration, commemoration in Camp Pendleton today, an amphibious assault. You're going to get to see live that Amanda Head, John Solomon's partner, is going to be out there hosting that.
We're going to get all this. Michael Pack, the great filmmaker, is going to join us in a moment. One of the best filmmakers about the United States Marine Corps. I want to go back to the summit. Tina Deskovitz. Tina, quite frankly, you teed it up yesterday for us, but man, this thing is on fire. The energy, you can feel it. The multi-generations, the turning point.
We took the whole segment from the turning point, kids coming up, to the Turning Point video, to Benny Johnson's just amazing witness. Talk to us about your feelings this morning as your summit is literally on fire.
Oh, it's been such a powerful morning. Unfortunately, I've had too many tears already this morning through the Charlie Kirk tribute. Having those kids on stage, seeing the future of America here with Moms for Liberty this year has been very moving and remarkable. Right now on stage while we're out here is Benny Johnson with our dads panel. And I was in there for the first few minutes of it.
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Chapter 2: How does grassroots activism play a role in Texas politics?
And then Benny committed to, I think, number five. Tina, what do you want to see come out of this? You've got great speakers, high energy, a broad range of folks, but what's the purpose? What are we trying to drive towards?
Well, ultimately, we're here to educate and empower, to give parents the tools they need to go back in their communities to save not only our country, but we're realizing Western civilization. It's becoming a much bigger, more broad mission as we do this work. And so that's the grassroots hard work that's going on here. But at the high level...
It's just great to be together with your people that believe the same, feel the same, have the same mission. That's what brings the energy and the excitement and the inspiration and really fills all of their cups to be able to go back and do this.
What was it that you did in starting this parental rights movement that so triggered the teachers unions? I mean, obviously we got to be blunt. You've got an enemy in the teachers unions. They've targeted Moms for Liberty as one of their single biggest problems.
And they want to make sure you never get another school district seat, that you're driven out of the schools, you're driven out of the libraries. What was it that you guys brought that drove the teachers unions to go absolutely nuts?
I think it was that first year when we won like 200 and something school board seats out of the blue. They were panicked. They've had such a strangle stronghold on education for decades. When you go in and you meet school board members, I served on a school board. I was shocked at how many were former teachers union members. You can't be a member while you're on the school board.
you still have the same ideologies in your brain. And what was happening is you actually were negotiating. So if you're a teacher's union member and you leave the teacher's union once you're elected and you're negotiating with the head of the teacher's union for everything, salaries, taxes, when school starts and stops, all of these things, you're just negotiating with yourself.
There's nobody at the table. There's nobody representing kids or parents. And it's my opinion that that's why education has just tanked in America. So Moms for Liberty comes on stage. We're like, oh, not anymore. Parents are taking this back. And Started with the school board races. You know, we've upset all of their policies and their agenda. We call them out for their nonsense.
And of course, they're our enemy.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Marine Corps 250th anniversary?
And it's become a it's become pretty big. Right. Benny's on the stage right now. What does that mean to you?
Well, it means a lot. Tina was just talking about that, saying she was catching some of the panel. I think it's a big thing. For one thing, and I think, Tina, maybe you could address it too, is there a future for Dads for Liberty? Will there be? Benny has intimated it. Maybe it'll happen. But I'm thinking about, Steve, just the things that I need to be thinking about as a new father.
School choice, parental rights, parents. parenting in the digital era, screen time, all the things that are being discussed here. So as I mentioned to you yesterday, Steve, this is a learning experience for me.
And so I kind of want to just ask Tina as well, in terms of being a new dad, and for all those new dads out there, as I look to my school choice for my kid, what are the two or three things I need to be thinking about right now in preparation for what's coming for me?
Yeah, number one, it's actually very basic, is the school using phonics to teach your child to read? For at least a decade now, America's been on this quest for a new way to teach reading, and obviously it's not working. We only have a third of kids in America that can read proficiently by fourth grade. And so number one question when you walk in is... are you teaching phonics?
Like, how are you teaching my kid to read? And so, you know, you can go to mom's liberty.org and we launched a M for L academy.org where we are giving, that's where all the tools and resources are located. And we put together a back to school toolkit there.
You can see the questions that you should ask the teachers and the school to try to select where you're not only where your students should go to school, but you know, what's happening to your child in that school. We also provide opt out forms. So if there's something that's going on there that you don't want to participate in, you know,
we've given you sample forms and letters that you can use to opt out of the things that might be not in alignment with your values.
Yeah. And Steve, you know, I also think that in line with what Tina said, Florida, being here in Florida has set a standard. It set an example, I think, for what the rest of the country can follow. And I got to say, Steve, thank God I'm in this free state of Florida to raise my child. But these are things I've got to be thinking about now.
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Chapter 4: How is Moms for Liberty impacting education in America?
We're going to be covering this all day. It's absolutely amazing, but I want to make sure people get the inside baseball.
momsforliberty.org is our website. I'd ask everybody to join and become a member. It's free. And you can be a dad and be a member too. You don't have to just be a mom. So do that so we can stay in touch and we can tell you the things that are going on within our organization. You can catch us on all social medias, mom, number four, Liberty. And I'm Tina Deskovich on all socials.
Tina, thank you so much. Bo, we'll come back to you. I know we got a bunch of interviews. And Bo, make sure you fill out your membership of Moms for Liberty today. I'm going to do it in the break. Okay. We'll come back to you guys as well. Tina, Tina, love you. Let's roll. So the free state of Florida, we have two anchors in the MAGA movement. And look, Ohio's amazing. Georgia's amazing.
You know, you've got all these amazing states. Arizona, we've got the bedrocks, right? But the foundational elements of Florida and Texas, you guys are very competitive with each other. Now, I assume... that none of these problems we're talking about, it's because folks, I know so many Texans and it's kind of their own republic. They're so proud of the University of Texas.
They're so proud of Texas A&M, University of Texas. They brag all the time. about their education system. So I know that all the issues that Tina's talking about in education couldn't possibly be in the state of Texas.
Now, as a native Texan who loves this state, who likes to believe that the state of Texas is or should be number one in just about everything, I hate to say it as an elected official here in Texas, Florida is just straight up kicking our butt. Is that serious? They're running circles around. The Moms for Liberty thing, school choice. Florida has been leading the fight against teacher unions.
And the state of Texas, you know, I think just passed probably the biggest teacher union bribe in the history of America last session. Almost $10 billion. No, impossible.
For the teacher unions, yeah. How could that possibly be? Because it's how we do it. This is the Texas Republic of Texas.
I know.
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Chapter 5: What challenges do parents face with the current education system?
We talk about it. You talk about it all the time. But it's not just the liberal indoctrinations going up, but the fundamentals of education are plummeting. And even in Texas, this breaks my heart. It makes me angry, actually. Only 24 percent of Texas eighth graders are proficient in reading. Full stop. Full stop. Not in the state of Texas.
Not as proud as you guys are.
Only 23 percent of Texas eighth graders are proficient in math.
So it's a generational crisis. How can Abbott and these people, how can the political class in Austin accept that?
Because the reality is for too long, the teacher unions, which again, the state of Florida has been doing battle with, and the state of Texas, by the way, should be leading the fight against the liberal Marxist leftist progressive teacher unions. Instead, we're taxing Texans out of their homes. to subsidize the teacher unions, as opposed to everything that Trump supports.
Walk me through that. Connect those dots.
Okay, so the way it happens is, so people pay property taxes.
Wherever you are in Texas, you... And you don't have a state income tax.
You don't have a state... So the property tax is right. We have them. But they don't have to be the highest in the country. We have the highest effective property tax rate in the country.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of teachers' unions on education?
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Chapter 7: How does Texas compare to Florida in terms of education policy?
He can hear the screams. He enters the house. He grabs Marines nearby, takes them in with him, begins to develop the situation inside the house, and in the process of maneuvering to an empty room, engages and kills a man at close quarters and is wounded in the process by an enemy above him.
And in fact, he and his partner, his buddy, Lance Corporal Nichols, both are stitched down their legs with AK-47 fire. These guys are in a very good position, the enemy. There was not a very easy way to get to them. And at the same time, all of these rooms, this structure is very solid. You know, the construction in Iraq is... Very sturdy.
Steel rebar reinforced concrete and sometimes triple layer brick. You couldn't shoot a missile through some of these walls. And so we couldn't bring any heavy weapons to bear. Couldn't bring any grenades to bear because we had too many of our own men wounded on the inside. So basically all we could use was our hands and our guns.
So another Marine, PFC Boswood and myself, started taking this sledgehammer to the steel grate of this window. So the lieutenant goes in without their protective vests and plates on, et cetera, through the bars of a window that they managed to pull aside. This all in extremis. There's firing going on. There are grenades being thrown in the house.
There's groups of Marines separated and trapped by this very effective defense scheme. And Grapes goes in with Boswood. They identify the threat above them. They work out a scenario to suppress the enemy above them. We got four or five guns pointed up at these positions. And just like you'd imagine with a countdown, OK, you ready? I'm not sure. OK, well, we're going to go on three.
Make sure you don't run in front of our guns because we're going to be shooting. And the old, ready, set, go. And then we start unloading on these guys upstairs and these two selfless Marines. run across this kill zone, not once, not twice, but four times to pull Marines out of there. And we had some Marines in some pretty bad situations.
Lance Corporal Nick, or PFC Nickle was bleeding really bad from his leg. First Sergeant Castle was carried out by those two Marines who aren't carrying any weapons, but still holding his weapon, ready to fight. And they were in bad shape. So we had to get them out of there as quickly as possible. But we still had these two guys in the house, and they weren't going anywhere.
And we weren't going anywhere until the job was done. They managed to get everybody out of the house alive, and Byron. They managed to get Sergeant Norwin Wood out of the house.
I was honored to be the executive producer of, I think, and I've been told by many Marines, one of the most powerful films ever made about the Marine Corps, The Last 600 Meters. The director, writer and director, Michael Pacht. And Michael, you chronicled...
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Chapter 8: What lessons can be learned from the Marines' experiences in battle?
And the film is, you know, as you know, Steve, we completed it a long time ago, 17 years ago, and for PBS and finally they're putting it on this year, but it's actually more relevant than ever. Now that, you know, if you look at wars in Gaza or Ukraine, they are very similar and future wars will be like that too. And we need to honor these men and women. They're mainly Marines.
You know, you're celebrating the Marines today, but Army, Air Force too, but mainly Marines. And they are heroic. You can see it in that clip. You know, Jesse Grapes, he never would say this. It takes Willie Buells to say it. Imagine going into Hell House where your fellow Marines are pinned and taking your Kevlar and armor off to go in. It's mind boggling.
That, no, the heroism, that's why today on, we're gonna have a celebration of this film after what, over a decade, 17 years. PBS has finally put, I gotta give a little history. In fact, I'm gonna hold you through the break. I gotta juggle this with Mom Slur, but I gotta tell the story.
So Pack, so he's first off the longest standing guy that hung in with President Trump in the first term, three years, would not bend to Mitch McConnell. They destroyed Michael Pack. I say he's my hero because they destroyed Pack every day.
when he's gonna take over Voice of America and everything, and he says, I'm not gonna stop, I'm gonna get confirmed, and eventually Trump says, stick in there, we're gonna get you confirmed, it happened. But in the Bush administration, Michael was put in to basically be the content, because it was so out of control to be a content guy, the left went nuts.
The Bush administration folded, as they always do, but going out the door, they told PAC, hey, we'll give you as much money as you need, or money to go shoot the phone book if you want to. And PAC came, he had this idea, That, hey, this war in Iraq, it's so high-tech. You got everything from Schwarzkopf, Nassau, Vance. Oh, make a thing about the high-tech part of the war.
And Pat goes and does his research. He comes back in about six months. He goes, hey, you know what? I actually realized I'm wrong, that this war is going to be fought at the gunman to gunman. It's going to be down to 600 meters. That's why this film is so incredible. You actually see what Marine rifle squads go through. This is, when they call them grunts, you're seeing the grunt work.
I mean, Michael, it's so intense because it's all eyewitness accounts of these battles in Iraq that really the media never covered, particularly the urban warfare that they had to go through. Sir.
I think that's right. And that accounts for today. The veterans of these wars are not adequately celebrated. I'm glad that you're doing it. Whatever you think of the war, these young men and women risk their lives for us. So I'm really happy that they are getting a chance to be celebrated. And their efforts were heroic, as you see in that clip, but throughout the entire 90 minutes of the film.
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