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Episode 5019: Does New Polling Reveal Christ Is Alive In The US

24 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What recent economic data is discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 7.838 Mark Tepper

We are looking right now at the GDP number at 4.3% is the actual number versus an estimate of 3.3%. Mark Tepper, your reaction.

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8.419 - 30.88 Louis Navalier

So last week we talked about inflation coming in lower than expected. Now economic growth is one full percentage point faster than expected. It was supposed to come in at 3.3, came in at 4.3. This is a direct result of everything President Trump has put in place. Net exports are on the rise because of Trump's tariff policy, which is leveling the trade playing field. A.I.

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30.86 - 49.039 Louis Navalier

's increasing productivity. Businesses are investing in spending and the consumer remains strong. And just think next, I think, well, next quarter, they'll they'll end up getting an extra hundred and fifty billion dollars in refund checks that they can then deploy and spend as well. So great number.

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49.255 - 65.8 Mark Tepper

Great number, 4.3%. And I've got to say, when I see a GDP of 4.3%, I have to believe 5% is not far away. And that, of course, is what Louis Navalier told us last week, Mark, that we're going to see a 5% GDP handle in the first half of the year.

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Chapter 2: How do Trump's policies impact current economic growth?

66.401 - 77.878 Louis Navalier

He looks like Nostradamus right now. I mean, he almost predicted that on the head. Obviously, 5% is well within our reach, especially given the consumer tailwinds I just mentioned.

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78.095 - 96.747 Unknown

Right. Well, it's really a fantastic number and it's a great Christmas present for the American people. And, you know, I would say that the headline for me is two things that I think the big macro trends that we're seeing in these numbers are, first of all, that President Trump's trade agenda is working.

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96.767 - 112.34 Unknown

And so we got about, you know, one and a half percent of the growth on four point three because we reduced the trade deficit. And then the other thing that I think, which is a big macro thing that we're seeing, is that the artificial intelligence productivity boom is really clearly in the data.

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112.681 - 132.997 Unknown

And I guess you and I are old enough to remember back in the 90s when the computer came in, that all of a sudden you had like 4% quarters all the time. one after the other, and it kept surprising people because they thought, oh, you know, computers everywhere, but in the productivity data, but we're seeing it in the data and we're seeing the same kind of regular surprises for market participants.

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133.017 - 152.248 Unknown

And so we went back and we looked at every Bloomberg forecast for the main numbers since September and found that on average, we outperformed the forecast 94% of the time. So if 94% of Wall Street economists are getting the macro trends wrong, they need to start to think about, hey, you know, maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we thought.

152.588 - 160.302 Unknown

And maybe the fake news that says all these terrible things about Trump policies should reconsider and, you know, grab their pencil and redo their economics.

160.322 - 165.351 Rick Santelli

Let's get the bond report. Rick Santelli has more on how the markets are reacting to all of these cross currents.

Chapter 3: What role does artificial intelligence play in productivity?

165.391 - 166.573 Rick Santelli

Rick, what can you tell us?

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167.65 - 189.169 Stephen K. Bannon

Well, you know, I like the way the charts tell a picture. If you look at twos and tens when the number was released, a couple things should jump out at you. The twos definitely seem to be more aggressive in holding the upside. I don't think that's for any big reasons to explain the Fed or acknowledge percentages and probabilities. I think it's purely the next chart, which is

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189.149 - 213.507 Stephen K. Bannon

10 years bucking up against that 419 to 420 resistance. That chart goes back nearly two weeks. And stopping it there makes perfect sense. And if you open the chart up, should we settle above 419, and it doesn't look like we will, that'd be a 3 and 1 half month high yield close. To me, a bit of the surprise today was the dollar index. When the data was released at 830, it definitely turned up.

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213.567 - 236.807 Stephen K. Bannon

It had been moving down. But it really doesn't alter the general picture. ANY CLOSE TODAY BELOW 98.14 IS A TWO AND A HALF MONTH LOW. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE DIRECTLY, KELLY, I PERSONALLY STILL DON'T SEE ANY PATH TO GET TO 2%. SO MANY COULD DISINFLATION, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WERE POTENTIAL PICKS FOR FED CHAIRS, BUT ULTIMATELY

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236.787 - 262.479 Stephen K. Bannon

just like anything else in our economy, when the economy gets good, competition for capital gets hot. And that's why usually, historically, a good economy may have higher rates, specifically on the long end. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think the big negative here is the fact that we have one report with hot inflation. We have other reports with cool inflation. I need to get a better GPS.

262.519 - 288.613 Stephen K. Bannon

And in terms of consumer confidence, I would take a very big shovel and shovel them all right into the garbage dump because Main Street media has polluted the well and this administration doesn't get a lot of credit that the markets give it. And I think that's what the issue is driving negative confidence. This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

289.879 - 301.211 Stephen K. Bannon

Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

Chapter 4: What insights do recent polls reveal about religious beliefs in America?

301.231 - 306.542 Stephen K. Bannon

I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

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306.562 - 316.542 Unknown

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

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316.522 - 350.115 Stephen K. Bannon

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann. Tuesday, 23 December, year of early 2025. I said in my speech the other night to AmFest, That this would be the, I don't want to say next, the midterm election, the most important election in history.

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350.135 - 356.188 Stephen K. Bannon

You've heard that every election for years. Although we have won seven of eight national elections since 2015, 2016.

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Chapter 5: How has the perception of Christmas celebrations changed over time?

356.369 - 367.198 Stephen K. Bannon

That this would be the hardest and toughest election. And I think the most politically violent because the radical left is about to lose the economic argument.

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367.218 - 387.67 Stephen K. Bannon

You can tell this as we've been tracking our war and bringing you the top experts to talk about the big, beautiful bill and the capital expenditure from that and the tax relief that capital providers are getting, companies are getting, plus the forcing function of the pincer move, the forcing function of the tariffs that

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388.257 - 407.093 Stephen K. Bannon

which are driving corporate and country investment in the United States in plant and equipment, to which President Trump says 19 trillion. But it's – I don't know if that's the exact number, but it's a big number, as is the big number. That is coming now, but it's really going to manifest itself in the first and second quarter.

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408.271 - 427.276 Stephen K. Bannon

Folks, I just want you to know the number that came out today when you really get below the hood is pretty damn impressive. If you couple that with the inflation number the other day, we're a point down on inflation, which is nobody expected that. And now you have 4.3 percent growth. And as E.J. and Tony said, this is not because of government spending.

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427.516 - 457.676 Stephen K. Bannon

A lot of the positive numbers you had during the Biden regime was 100 percent because of government spending. Here you've got a consumer, you know, solid consumer spending. It's just not all in the elites. You've got some CapEx coming in. These are very solid numbers. And as Maria Bartiromo said, hey, if you got 4.3 now, she sees a five handle sometime in 2026. And we start to get in 5% growth.

457.936 - 481.09 Stephen K. Bannon

You're kind of turbocharged in the modern world. My point is, If this trend continues, particularly when the big payoff of the capital expenditure, and of course they talked there about the tax returns and all the different tax breaks he's given working class people, and what they're talking about these refunds, plus you got the 1776 money coming in, you could put up some big numbers potentially.

481.222 - 500.15 Stephen K. Bannon

The Democrats are going to lose the club that they have tried to browbeat President Trump from the beginning of the economy. He got a terrible economy. And it looks like with Scott Besson, Peter Navarro, Hassett, with no help from Powell and the Fed at all. We've had Malpass on here telling you about how it's an anti-growth strategy over there.

Chapter 6: What does the latest polling say about belief in God among Americans?

500.871 - 524.751 Stephen K. Bannon

This is enormously, enormously impressive. And a bunch of the people are sitting there going, oh, Trump is finished, it's done, let's move on. And MAGA, you know, MAGA's like the school cafeteria now. Who's sitting at the cool kids' table? Who's saying what about what person? As I said at that speech the other night, and I tell you every day on the show, that's all noise, all of it's noise.

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525.712 - 548.581 Stephen K. Bannon

There are deep, deep things going on here that, from a policy perspective, whether it's AI, whether it's this issue of greater Israel, Whether it's the mass deportations and at the cornerstone of it is the economy. Now, as a populist nationalist movement, we're not like the traditional Republicans. The economy is everything because we're much more than the economy.

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548.641 - 569.262 Stephen K. Bannon

We're a country and a culture and a society. And on that note, the Supreme Court, I'm not saying it's a total loss. But I think it was a surprise, at least it was a surprise to me, maybe not to some of the people on the left and maybe not even some of the people that were arguing it. Although I think the administration, we did get a speed bump today.

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569.322 - 588.138 Stephen K. Bannon

They've ruled that 6-3, that the troops can't go into Chicago to support the ICE agents in removing illegals. For right now, that's on hold. The president can't send them in until the whole thing's adjudicated. In other words, they were looking for temporary relief to keep the troops in there.

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589.98 - 610.186 Stephen K. Bannon

The Supreme Court has essentially backed President Trump's Article 2 powers and the expansion of those powers to what the Constitution says. And I think this is the first time we've really hit a speed bump. We're going to get more about that. We're trying to get Mike Davis, some of the legal guys, but we got Neil McCabe, who's a – National Guard to give that perspective.

610.867 - 626.736 Stephen K. Bannon

I want to bring in Barris, Richard Barris. So Richard, you've done this big poll. You always do a Christmas poll, and I want to get to that. But I got to ask you, these numbers, and I'm going to replay part of that cold open later. You saw the... you know, kind of the people very excited.

626.997 - 633.812 Stephen K. Bannon

I won't say ecstatic, but very excited about where these numbers are going, particularly people that are supporters of President Trump.

Chapter 7: How do church leaders need to adapt to current societal trends?

634.273 - 655.965 Stephen K. Bannon

And I can just double up. If you read the FT, if you read the New York Times business section, the Washington Post business section, the Wall Street Journal, It's always doom and gloom. Their elements, they like the tax cuts for themselves on the big, beautiful bill, but they say President Trump's lost, you know, the animal spirits have lost confidence in him. I think it's anything.

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655.945 - 673.292 Stephen K. Bannon

anything but that. I think these numbers today are pretty shocking. Thoughts about that, Richard? Because I said, hey, look, as soon as the Democrats lose affordability in the head, they got a double whammy. You had a significant drop in inflation and toward growth. I mean, it should be the exact opposite.

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673.392 - 698.133 Stephen K. Bannon

President Trump, kind of the magic he pulled in 2017 to 2019, culminating in 2019, may be back at work, sir. Yeah, thanks, Steve, for having me. As always, Merry Christmas, everybody. Look, that report, you know, you watch CNN, you watch CNBC, and, you know, they can't help it. They have to, you know, at least they could try to glaze if they want. But this was a much bigger number than expected.

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698.193 - 725.117 Stephen K. Bannon

And truth be told, if you understand how the methodology for GDP works, you understood from the beginning the brilliance of Donald Trump's tariff strategy, Steve. We've had this insane policy. of slicing a massive chunk of our GDP off with ridiculous trade deficits. And now we have these multi-year lows that we haven't seen in a long time, or narrowing of the deficit, plus the tariffs themselves.

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725.177 - 748.474 Stephen K. Bannon

And I think this is a very big deal for people who had to... you know, tolerate and live through what the left wing media said would happen with these tariffs. They did not create the inflationary crisis that the chicken littles who are, you know, were claiming the sky was going to fall, said they would create. So this fear that they put into the public never came to fruition.

748.454 - 762.677 Stephen K. Bannon

And now we're seeing this huge growth. I was listening to Marie in the in the open, you know, five percent growth on the horizon. It can happen. He changed. He did something that no other president really had the, you know, the stomach or the backbone to do.

Chapter 8: What implications does the Supreme Court ruling have for the National Guard?

763.157 - 781.144 Stephen K. Bannon

He went after the ridiculous trade regime. And that was always going to have a dramatic impact on GDP. Plus, spending was a lot much more than people expected. It was 3.5. The consensus on EconoDay was 2.5. That's a big beat, Steve. A big beat.

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781.164 - 782.286 Rick Santelli

People don't spend when they're concerned.

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783.608 - 807.669 Stephen K. Bannon

It's a major print. I remember when we talked about the big, beautiful bill and debt and deficits and increasing. The audience will remember this. We had Besson on here. Besson's theory of the case, if you can get to three... definitely 3.5%, but maybe 3% growth continuous off of this, that you could outrun the deficits of adding more to the national debt.

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808.37 - 837.425 Stephen K. Bannon

I mean, none of those guys thought about a 4.3% in the third quarter, in this year. And I think what Maria's saying is that... You can see a print for 5% in 2026. This is why I say the Democrats, when you take this issue away from them, which they've totally misread, and the business media has been clubbing President Trump. This is what I said at AmFest.

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837.445 - 854.546 Stephen K. Bannon

You take this issue away from them, they're going to go crazy. And they're going to be even more dangerous than they've been to date. Anyway, Richard, you've got your Christmas poll you do every year, and we always have you on to talk about it. We're packed. We start off today. I didn't want to have many guests.

854.586 - 873.005 Stephen K. Bannon

I wanted to spend a lot of time with each guest on a couple of issues, including what's going on with Heritage. Huge news. Rabbi Walecki birthed that huge news this morning on the show that Ron Dermott and others are working on a proposal with Netanyahu that I think he's going to present to President Trump when he comes to meet. And it's about ending the MOU.

873.086 - 894.449 Stephen K. Bannon

People have talked about extending it for another 25 years. About ending it. Not taking any more money from the United States for Israel's defense. Get their complete... sovereignty, and their total independence. We're going to take a short commercial break. Take your phone out, text Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N, at 989898, the ultimate guide for investing in gold and precious metals. Don't forget solar.

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