Bannon`s War Room
Episode 5063: Populist Tear For Economics; SCOTUS Hearing On Transgender Athletes
13 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What regrets does Donald Trump have about the 2020 election?
So Donald Trump apparently has some regrets about the National Guard, not their politically targeted deployment to cities like Los Angeles, Chicago and Memphis, but regrets about not ordering them to seize voting machines after the 2020 presidential election, which Donald Trump decisively lost to Joe Biden by more than seven million votes.
In a new interview, The New York Times asked Trump why he did not follow through with the threat. His response, well, I should have.
Adding, they're good warriors. I'm not sure that they're sophisticated enough in the ways of crooked Democrats and the way they cheat to figure that out.
I've read both the Minnesota and Illinois lawsuits. They're really political diatribes masquerading as lawsuits. If you look at what both states are asking the courts to do, It's to kick ICE out of those states and cities and to bar ICE from carrying on federal law enforcement in Illinois and Minnesota. That's the top thing both states asked to do, and they cite zero precedent for that.
Chapter 2: How are lawsuits in Minnesota and Illinois targeting ICE?
There is zero precedent for that. There is no way a judge can say, you federal law enforcement agency, you are not allowed to execute federal law in a certain state or city.
I think the most that the states could get out of this, if they get sympathetic judges, is a judge who's going to ask questions of ICE, who's gonna hold hearings, who's gonna demand questions about how they're training, how they're carrying out their policy. You also could have judges that issue sort of symbolic orders along the lines of, ICE, you are not to violate the law.
But that's already the case. It's already not allowed for ICE to violate the law.
So these lawsuits, which appear to be coordinated, They're potentially powerful political statements, but I don't give them much of a chance of achieving the legal thing that they're asking for in the courts.
Even today, an hour outside Minneapolis in St.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of Trump’s actions regarding voting machines?
Cloud, Trump's agents, dozens of them tried to muster some some kind of military style show of force at a mini mall parking lot in St. Cloud, Minnesota. They were soon surrounded by hundreds of local residents telling them to get out. They were so overwhelmed with the way the neighborhood responded. Trump's agents got stuck there in the mini mall parking lot.
A Democratic state senator had to intervene to ask the crowd to please let the federal agents leave because they otherwise couldn't. Finally, after about an hour, people allowed these tough guy masked agents to turn tail and leave with their tails between their legs. Our top story this hour, of course, the state of Minnesota and the twin cities of Minneapolis and St.
Paul are suing the Trump administration over a surge of federal forces there. The lawsuit argues that federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, have acted unconstitutionally and unlawfully by violating the state's sovereignty and civil rights laws.
Chapter 4: How is the economic landscape shifting under Trump's policies?
The American people are the most generous people in the world.
You just can't take advantage of us. When immigrants come here, you gotta learn which side of the road to drive on, customs and laws to follow, and that you cannot steal from the U.S. government the way you did from your government.
What I hear is that he believes a mistake in 2020 wasn't the big lie. It was actually the restraint. The mistake wasn't the lack of evidence, but the lack of force. The mistake was that he didn't bend the system far enough. I think he is telling us, broadcasting very loudly, what his strategy is for the next election. I'm not talking about 2028.
Chapter 5: What is the current state of inflation and economic growth?
I'm talking about 2026 and what he would like to do or what he plans to do there if things don't go his way. I think we should be honest about it. And I don't think that it's just fantasy that's happening in his brain. He tried in 2020. He directed Rudy Giuliani to go to the DOJ and DHS and to seize the voting machines. Bill Barr said no. Ken Cuccinelli said no. They made it public.
It was enough guardrails around him at the time that said, you can't do these things. But right now, the person in charge of elections at the Department of Homeland Security is Heather Honey.
Chapter 6: How does President Trump plan to address housing affordability?
She was a 2020 election conspiracy theorist. She just recently said that you can take extraordinary actions, including like seizing voting machines, based on either things that they find from 2020 or things that they haven't yet determined but will materialize. So, I mean, it's not just...
You know, Trump's mind here, the pieces around him to facilitate these fantasies into reality are there as well. That's what the last year has demonstrated to us. And we should all just be aware of it and acknowledge it and then actually start to think about solutions.
Tell us what you think right now, tonight, the situation on the streets of Iran is and how a free Iran will make a safer United States.
Well, thanks for having me, Laura. To your first question, I think in the 47-year failed history of the Islamic Republic, I think the people of Iran have never been closer to obtaining the liberty they enjoyed before 1979.
Second, in terms of what may or may not need to be done about it, I think your points about the concern about how the United States has proceeded with regime change are completely valid.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the Supreme Court hearing on transgender athletes?
But I don't think there's any circumstance in which President Trump is going to insert the United States into the equation. I think rather what he will do and has done is to set conditions so that the people of Iran could establish and reestablish control for themselves and take control of their own future and destiny. And I think he's done three critical things to do it.
He's applied economic pressure to restore it and to exacerbate the stress. He's demonstrated they can't provide security and stability working with Israel in the Operation Midnight Hammer. And lastly, he's been the first president to offer rhetorical support for the people of Iran, and I think we're seeing the results of that.
This idea of Trump meddling in the 2026 election was laid out for me today in the Washington Post. And they did, I thought, a great job of noting a couple of things. He's trying to change how these midterms are going to play. I say he's already started to do that because he's already meddled in a number of states.
Chapter 8: How does the episode conclude regarding economic strategies moving forward?
But some of the things, pushing states to redraw House districts, demanding to end mail voting, attacking voting machines, seeking millions of voters' private information, staffing the administration with election skeptics, as you've just noted, and deniers, calling out the troops who are right now on a lot of streets across the cities across the country. But where are those cities?
They're in blue states. Right. Where the voting population is likely larger and going to turn out. So what if you can cut that short on the front end, you have to worry less about it on Election Day on the back end. Right. Am I missing something here or is this is this part of the authoritarian playbook? Simone likes to give us the history of how they how they play the game.
But the reality, folks, is being played out right in front of you right now. That's his world, right? And we see this in international law, in the international arena. Might makes right. Power and the exercise of power to implement your ideas. Why does that somehow not apply domestically? Everything so far has demonstrated that he's willing to do it.
The one thing that I would add to that list is that the misinformation engine of Fox News in 2020 is quaint. compared to the environment that we're in now. By the time we move into the midterms, Larry Ellison will have control of TikTok. CBS News is no longer a fixture. A whole bunch of Trump entities have been buying up local media properties and aligning it.
I mean, the landscape to backfill the narrative that Trump puts out there is way more potent than we saw in 2020. That doesn't mean we're impotent and we don't have any ability to respond. There are just increasingly few levers. And so I think now there's the so what comes in, and that is there are a few senators that always express concern, Republicans.
They should be on the record now that they're not going to tolerate this stuff. They're not going to put out statements. They're going to change their party and caucus with Democrats if they start to see this kind of nonsense. They need to start drawing red lines. There needs to be some political pressure for them to do it. That's one lever of power. It's not the be all and end all.
But we're going to need to start putting antibodies into the system because this is the reality that we are living, and it's happening.
That's part of following the money. There are evidently some disturbing tapes of AG Ellison in meetings with people who donated to him, them calling for political favors to stop the investigations. So we'll see. But again, I don't want to get out ahead of the investigations. It's going to be very methodical. And Chris, I can guarantee you when these
When the bear trap snaps, we're going to get these folks. And again, we're going to follow the money, whether it's over the two counties here in Minneapolis, St. Paul's, or whether it's to East Africa. And there's tons of luxury properties, cars that have been bought over there. And how the hell did this happen? How did it happen? President Trump is outraged. I'm outraged.
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