Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Today, thanks to Jeff Daniels, we've got the music. This is a song I wrote called Crazy World, which is how I cope. Okay, let's hear it. I've seen a young girl smiling at something he just said. I watched him fall into her pretty green eyes, his cheeks turned valentine red. I've seen an old man walking with his wife by his side. I watched him reach down, take her hand, damned if I didn't cry.
This crazy world's gone crazy. Who am I to judge? It's nice to know in a world full of hate, There's someone out there still making love. I've seen a dog's tail wagging. I've seen a grandchild run. I've sung along to a day breaking dawn. and a hundred thousand setting suns. I've seen a door held open. I've seen strangers shaking hands.
I've seen a kiss from that old flame she missed last a little longer than planned. This crazy world's gone crazy. Who am I to judge? It's nice to know in a world full of hate There's someone out there still making love I've seen a prayer get answered I've seen a bride in June I'm proud to say I've seen the Milky Way
Winking at the man in the moon I've seen a dozen roses I've seen a heart on a sleeve I've seen enough to know what I know And know what I still believe This crazy world's gone crazy Who am I to judge? It's nice to know in a world full of hate, there's someone out there. There's someone out there. There's someone out there. We needed that. We all needed that.
Never get any reaction from the crew. That's awesome. I love it. Thank you. Will you come back?
Sure.
Will you sing to us?
Sure. The great Jeff Daniels. Is she in high school? What is it? Okay. It's official. MSNBC is dead. What the hell are you doing in the middle of the day? Nicole Wallace. You think Nicole Wallace went backstage a couple, three times as a, you know, hey, I'm with the band. What are you doing? This is the middle of the day. Jeff Daniels, who's been in some great, played the anchor in Newsnight.
which I thought was pretty extraordinary, a left-wing take on the Tea Party, years ago, played Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain in Gettysburg and Gods and Generals. He's got a real affinity for history. I think he played Washington in a made-for-TV movie that was pretty good about crossing, about the Battle of Trenton and crossing the Delaware. But that is just abysmal.
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Chapter 2: How does AI psychosis manifest in individuals?
They're monitored, they're surveilled. Everything they do is tracked analyzed and there's an attempt to make it more efficient the ultimate state of efficiency as Amazon and Elon Musk and Sam Altman on and on and on the ultimate state of efficiency is to replace humans altogether they Frame it as if this is a necessity. If we don't automate, China will.
If we don't deploy AIs across the entire country, China will. If we don't create godlike superintelligence, China will. That's always the justification. It's valid to some extent, but all of this is being driven by American companies, and Americans have absolutely woken up to the problem. I worry that some will be easily persuaded.
When you're going even to Christian churches and some people that are not in the heart of the metropolitan areas and or Silicon Valley, they're now aware that this is a problem and they want something either done about it, slowed down, or explained to them.
Yeah, and you know me, Steve. I mean, I don't just hang out in and around venues. I'm always getting out and wandering among the people, so to speak, even street people.
And I can say that from the middle class down to the homeless and on up to the upper middle class and even some of the oligarchs themselves, there's everything from a sense of alarm that this is coming on too fast to take on any kind of sensible way.
Among many, there's abject terror that it will not just replace jobs, it will replace relationships, it will replace the family, it will replace education, and ultimately will create machines that are capable of making decisions on behalf of humans, even the decision to kill.
You just brought up something, and should we play your call over now? Let me ask this. You've often warned about institutional radical transformation because of these technologies institutionally. You've talked about business and jobs.
It's the first time I've actually heard you say that people are aware that relationships and or family, how is it going to replace family and how is it going to replace relationships?
I think the reason people understand it isn't because of tech coverage in the media or our coverage. I think the reason people understand it is that now they have children. They have spouses. They even have parents. The older generation is also subject to this, who have turned to AIs as casual friends, as the deepest relationship that they have. For some of them, they see it.
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Chapter 3: What are the societal implications of AI relationships?
So they create a situation in which everyone is expected to basically become this human machine symbiote and
it's true in that artificial environment you won't necessarily get the job unless you can be a prompt engineer and have the machine think for you it doesn't mean that you are a more excellent person it doesn't mean in the long run that these companies will be the most successful it just means that in the near term people are being herded into this and it's happening at the level of education i've been speaking at colleges and have actually had a lot of young people come out to my talks that really surprised me
who are terrified at their peers becoming completely reliant on AI. The teachers just simply... Tell me about that.
What do you mean? So this was... I mean, their buddies, their roommates, the guys they hang out with, saying, hey, these people are... All they do is they're on AI all day long.
Again, there aren't any hard statistics other than to know that... No, I'm talking anecdotal. Anecdotal. Kids are telling me that many of their peers who are doing very, very well grade-wise are doing well because they basically ask the machine to write an essay and they turn it in. The professor has no way really of testing it. They've got all this software to do it. It doesn't really work.
So you've got this generation of kids, some number of which, it wouldn't surprise me, Steve, if it was like half. but some number of which are simply learning nothing. They are not disciplining themselves to read, to understand, and to write. They simply ask the machine to do it, and they're getting passed through. These universities, the diplomas are going to be worthless at this rate.
And one of the most, I guess, kind of heartbreaking stories, this girl comes up to me, young woman, who tells me that the valedictorian from her high school had done exactly that, and she was valedictorian, the thing that bothered me, she said, how am I going to compete with someone like that?
How am I going to compete with somebody who can so easily just generate content if I remain basically human?
This is my point. This is why I said a couple of years ago when you first came on, the reason I wanted to have you here as editor of Transhumanism is that one of the first things that's going to happen is a crushing Sophie's Choice campaign.
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Chapter 4: How is AI impacting job security and employment?
We see models that are supposed to browse the web and do some task, instead opening up a command line or the toolkit and writing code to allow themselves to go around the browser and cheat on the task. Yeah, just like a smart kid in high school that annoyed the teacher. I think that we might have AI smarter than any single human at anything as soon as next year. Wow. Yeah.
And then probably within five, like say 2030, probably AI is smarter than some of all humans. Do you think the vast majority of code that is used to support Claude and to design the next Claude is now written by Claude? We are changing people's jobs in real time inside the company because the technology has moved so, so, so quickly.
And what happens inside the AI companies will happen to all of the other businesses that use this AI technology in the coming years. How much more juice is there left in scaling hardware, do you think? So then, like, say for argument's sake, like, small compute will double the intelligence. Maybe that might be a rough rule of thumb.
But, you know, that still means that, you know, you go from 100 IQ to 200 IQ. It's still a pretty big deal. So, you know, human intelligence has also scaled as you have, as the population has increased and we've been able to store more and more information. Human intelligence has scaled. Now, human intelligence
Because of population declines and low growth rate, human intelligence is somewhat plateauing and will actually decline. And my guess is that I think that we might have AI smarter than any single human at anything as soon as next year. Wow. Yeah. And then, and then probably within five, like say 2030, probably AI is smaller than the sub-world humans.
Do you think, do you think humans are on the decline because the AI is evolving? Do you think there's this evolution of the ecosystem on earth that's underway that we don't really understand the structure of what's going on, but.
Maybe, yeah, maybe we implicitly know that it's coming. We're technology optimists. We think this technology is moving far faster than most people suspect. And when people say AI is slowing down or it's overhyped, we just look at, we measure the properties of a system and it's right on schedule to make really, really powerful systems arrive easily during the next five years. What does that mean?
You need some kind of policy response at the scale of disruption we expect within five years. We need more transparency out of the AI companies.
We and the other AI companies are already affecting society in large ways, and we need to be transparent about how we're measuring our systems, how we're securing our systems, and the economic data about how our systems are being used so economists can tie that to the actual broader economy and give policymakers the data they need.
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Chapter 5: What are the psychological effects of AI on human relationships?
I mean, they didn't leave for altruistic reasons. They said, we don't need this in a privately held foundation. We want to monetize this. We want to monetize this.
I don't know about their motives, but I do know that as that began to branch out, you had Dario Amadei and Jack Clark leave OpenAI to form Anthropic. You had Musk leave, and then eventually, right after signing the Future of Life statement, calling for a pause on AI, right after that, Musk announces XAI is open for business. And now you've got... multiple frontier companies.
And they all, because they've got a lot of the same employees moving back and forth, a lot of the same ideas, and a lot of this is already open, they are copying each other and building these systems up. And so what you end up with, the way Tegmark describes it is basically you have all these CEOs with a kind of messiah complex.
And they believe that if they are the ones to create the system, they will be able to resist their own kind of inner demons and create something benevolent. I agree with Tegmark that that's the dynamic, and I also agree with him that that is delusional. These people are not even in command of their most base instincts, let alone in possession of some kind of moral high ground.
Did not a 19-year-old girl, young lady, or 20 years old, very young, named Mary Shelley, took the myth of Prometheus and wrote a magnificent novel? If you've never read the novel, it's 100 times more complex than the movies, although the first, the black and white original films are... by I think James Whale are absolutely stunning Frankenstein.
I mean, that's the we are in Prometheus and the issue of fire. Right. The great Greek ancient myth. And no, of course, their egos and their narcissism and all that, just by definition to go down this path, they're going to overwhelm whatever goodness they had in the in the in the in the in the quest In the quest for fire here, right?
Unfortunately, fire was different that it could be kept to a small geographic center or part. Here, it's going to be immediately to be weaponized against all mankind. And quite frankly, the tragic part of it, mankind in getting these what you call relationships...
weaponizing against themselves their true self yeah and this is where the psychosis is coming from I want to make sure that we deal with this situation of psychosis are you saying now there are people you're talking to there some of the people that are inside that believe we may have a broad broadening pandemic of this psychosis
Right now, as we speak with millions of people already in these relationships in the very early stages of artificial intelligence, because we are in the very first years that are causing problems. I mean, Hawley was on here. Hawley is going to be on tomorrow. In fact, we'll tee it up to Josh Hawley's his hearings.
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Chapter 6: How do parents perceive AI's influence on their children?
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