In this powerful episode Kail sits down with Amanda Knox for an intimate, emotional, and eye opening conversation about her wrongful conviction, the unwavering support of her family, and the lasting impact of trauma. Amanda opens up about the hidden struggles that weren’t covered in the media, how her parents banded together to fight for her, the deep scars left on her siblings, and the complicated journey of rebuilding relationships after years of separation.If you think you know Amanda Knox’s story, think again. This episode will challenge your perceptions and leave you inspired.Order Amanda’s new book, out March 25th, at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, or your favorite local bookstore.Connect with Amanda at amandanox.com and check out her podcast, Labyrinths!For full video episodes head to patreon.com/kaillowry and to keep update with Kail and The Chaos subscribe to her newsletter at kaillowry.comThanks for supporting the show by checking out our sponsors!Happy Mammoth: get 15% off your first order at happymammoth.com just use thecode FAMOUS at checkout.Nutrafol: Start your hair growth journey with Nutrafol nutrafol.com promo code FAMOUSQuince: Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to quince.com/famousSearch for your new home at apartments.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is Amanda Knox's story?
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Today on the podcast, we have Amanda Knox, and I'm so excited to talk to you about your new book. Thank you. Thanks for having me. So I read the entire book, and I have to say that I vaguely knew who you were. Okay. But this is my first real impression of you. Okay.
I vaguely heard about your case, and I was kind of glad after reading the book that I didn't prejudge you. Okay. Yay. And I just wanted to know. So I had so many questions and initially started forming forming questions on like a document. And I was like, oh, I can't wait to ask her this. And then everything was pretty much answered in the book. So I thought that was really nice.
And as you can see, I tabbed so many things. Some of the things that are just I think a lot of people can resonate with. But so much of it I did tab to bring up today. Awesome. I was thinking this morning while I was getting ready, like. What do you want from this interview? Because I want to tell your story in the way that you want to be heard the same way that you describe in this book.
You don't want to be remembered as the girl accused of murder. And so I don't want to perpetuate that if I don't have to.
Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah. I mean, I think the big thing that I hope from this interview is honestly that people will read.
free my search for meaning because like there's this impression that like my story is encapsulated in this what this bad thing that happened to me and now it's over and the end my story's over and that happens to a lot of exonerees I'm not the only one who has had the experience of the worst experience of your life being so utterly defining and then the minute you get out of prison you eat your first hamburger I call it the hamburger moment because it's always like a McDonald's hamburger they're
Like, oh, look, they're eating a McDonald's hamburger for the first time after 20 years in prison. The end. And what really is the case is that a whole human drama unfolds behind that curtain where that is for the first time the person living their life and like discovering who they are and answering that now what question after having been forced to survive in an insanely unfair and brutal
and traumatic experience. And so what I like to say is that, you know, I've written a book before this, I've written a memoir before this called waiting to be heard. I'm very proud of it. I wrote it at a time of my life where I felt like I needed to react to this huge, incredible narrative that had been made about me without any sort of input from me.
And it was in reaction to that, that I was explaining here, this is this terrible experience that happened to me. And this is, this is, what it looks like from my perspective to be on trial for this crime. This book is not that. This book is what I've done in response to that.
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Chapter 2: How did Amanda Knox cope with her wrongful conviction?
You described how you got to that place in this book. But even as I was reading it, that was something that I couldn't relate to that. Because when I think, you talked about putting yourself in someone else's shoes. I was trying to do that. Yeah. And the place that I got to was just anger. Like I don't.
And I think that you're incredibly brave and strong for having that mindset and getting to that place because putting myself in your shoes, I really feel like I would be so angry all the time.
I mean, here's the thing. The anger is there. It's just not the only feeling, right? I'm still angry, you know, like it's because it's an angering situation. It is an injustice. And so I experience anger to this day. I experience hurt to this day because there are still ways that I'm continuing this. protracted trauma is not over for me.
Right.
Like I just got a little while ago, I just got reconvicted of the lesser crime in this case. And, you know, they say that I was sentenced to three years time served and like, that's bullshit. And like, I'm still fighting an ongoing drama of being the girl accused of murder and the girl who's guilt adjacent. And like, all of that is still happening. And
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of Amanda's new book?
when I was growing up on reality TV, it was always, I would get really upset about some of the edits and they would say, we have to make this digestible for the audience. We have to make sure that when this is edited, it makes sense to the viewer, even if it's skewing the story and how it actually happened, it has to make sense to the viewer.
And I would imagine that that's sort of the same way that, um, yeah, makes sense to the viewer, um,
is a very patronizing way of saying like, I need to make this black and white because otherwise the audience is going to be too dumb to appreciate the nuance.
Right. And fitting, you know, a circle into a square or what, The prosecutor did to you in fitting the evidence into his theory. Exactly. So and that's really sad because I did read and I don't know how much you want to talk about it. We don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.
But, you know, you reaching out to your prosecutor and holding him accountable, but also giving him a chance to explain himself. Totally. Totally.
Yeah, I think the thing I wanted to... Again, I really hope people will read this because it is a complex... Layered. It's a complex development in my story of reaching out to my prosecutor, developing a relationship with him, and having this dialogue that was not just about the case. Right. But also was about the case and how it has...
how it has developed and evolved over time like that is a really interesting story and it's a fascinating uh even just like i mean it should be in like a psychology case study the whole time i was like what is going on and you really didn't have a whole lot of support in in going to talk to him and developing this relationship i know that you mentioned that your husband was
overall supportive, but you know, your parents. Oh yeah. Everyone else thought I was crazy. I was a little bit like, I don't know that I would do this just because I would, I would be so angry.
So here's the thing though. Like someone told me, um, asked me the other day, what do you do when the whole world's against you? Yeah. What do you do? What do you do? And I said, well, over the years I've discovered that, um,
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Chapter 4: How does trauma influence personal identity?
I really, really appreciate you bringing up my family. We can talk about them more if you want. Well, in the sense that, like, I think that people... Another sort of misconception I think that people have about wrongful convictions is that, like, they only ever happen to the person that is the person going to prison. Like, that is the one person who is being impacted by this wrongful conviction.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Well, you said in the book, I mean, you have...
three sisters I have three younger sisters yeah and you missed four years of their lives and not just them like my cousin like my aunt like you know but like yes if we're talking about like that like core yes I missed like my youngest sister was nine years old when I went to prison And she was 13 when I got out. So much happens in that period of time.
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't feel like four years is a lot. But when I was reading your book, I was like, no, four years is... I mean, especially with siblings. I mean, four years can make a world of a difference.
Absolutely. Or like, I remember my cousin coming to visit me once. So... my family also is very tight knit. So I grew up like very close to my cousins and because I'm the oldest of all of them, like I was constantly babysitting them, taking them out places. Like, you know, I was taking my cousin to the zoo constantly and I loved it because I'm obsessed with the zoo.
Um, even though it's like some of them are unethical, but actually the one, the one in Seattle is ethical. So we're great.
Don't go to the one in Madrid, Spain. I recently went. Don't go.
Don't go. All right. Noted. And I remember just like I hadn't seen him in years and I hadn't really given you know, you get pictures like I was allowed to have picture like 10 pictures with me of my family in my cell. And I just sort of coveted them. And and but they're like these static images of people. And then he came the one like the one time that he was allowed to come.
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