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Beau of The Fifth Column

Let's talk about Trump’s SCOTUS Tariff problem....

07 Nov 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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Well, howdy there, Internet people. It's Belle again. So today, we're going to talk about Trump's SCOTUS tariff problem. Okay, so the Trump administration had its day before the Supreme Court, and it's prompted a lot of questions from people trying to understand the various arguments that were being made.

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Chapter 2: What is Trump's SCOTUS tariff problem about?

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The big ones were about why the questions were all over the place, were the justices receptive to Trump's arguments, and when we'll get a final decision. So, what we're going to do is go through some of the arguments, then identify the justice that was asking about the argument. And that should give you an idea of how it went.

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Trump is using the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or IEEPA, as the basis for his tariffs. Most readings don't suggest the law actually gives the president this level of authority. A justice asked, quote, Can you point to any other place in the code or any other time in history where that phrase, together, regulate importation, has been used to confer tariff-imposing authority?

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This is a very skeptical question, basically saying, hey, in all of American history, has what you're saying ever been a thing? That question was asked by Justice Amy Coney Barrett. Another justice seemed very interested in the process of the government refunding the tariffs that had already been collected and seemed to indicate a desire to handle that question sooner rather than later.

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Generally, you're not concerned about refunds unless you see the refunds happening. That was Justice Samuel Alito, another conservative member of the court.

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On top of all that, Chief Justice John Roberts, again a conservative, pointed to the fact that the law Trump's using as justification does not specifically authorize tariffs, though other laws do, meaning he seemed to believe Congress wasn't giving tariff authority with the law. Beyond that, the law has never been used for tariffs before and, quote, seemed to be misfit.

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These are major issues raised by conservatives. With friends like this, who needs enemies, right? The liberal justices were even more skeptical and pointed to the idea that, quote, It's pretty clear that Congress was trying to constrain the emergency powers of the president in IEEPA. That's Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson.

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And it would be inconsistent to apply the law meant to constrain the president's power in a way that would instead expand executive power. In short, no, it didn't go well for Trump. But that doesn't tell you about the underwriting things. You have another big thing at play, and it's called the major questions doctrine.

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You'll probably recognize this as the thing that killed Biden's student loan forgiveness. Basically, a president needs to be able to point to clear language in law for a major policy decision. Every time, Trump frames this as some existential economic issue. He's undermining his case by saying it's a major question that should have been decided by Congress, not him.

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The court struck down Biden's loan forgiveness over an economic tag of $500 billion in 10 years. Trump's tariffs are $3 trillion in 10 years. To a lesser degree, we may hear about a thing called the non-delegation principle in their final decision. It's the idea that Congress can't delegate certain duties outlined by the Constitution to the executive branch.

Chapter 3: What arguments did the justices raise during the Supreme Court hearing?

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So, when will we get a decision? They normally take time, as in six months or more, but they heard this quickly, and there's a lot of money at stake here, so they'll probably act faster.

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But how fast is anybody's guess? But it's also important to remember that Trump has other tariff mechanisms to try if they strike this down, and this whole thing could start all over again. Anyway, it's just a thought. Y'all have a good day.

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