Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's episode is going to be a longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us.
So today I am delighted to welcome Lauren Smith Brody to Before Breakfast. Lauren is the founder of the Fifth Trimester Movement, also the author of a book by that name. It's all about helping parents navigate the transition back to work. She's also had a long career in the women's magazine world as well. Lauren, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Laura.
So nice to be with you.
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Chapter 2: What is the Fifth Trimester Movement and its significance?
And this is what I spend. If I like get on a screen or stand on a stage and talk to an audience, you know, for an hour, so much of what I'm doing and sharing all of these data points and research and the numbers is to help fill up your pockets, right? Like pretend you have on cargo pants, like fill up your pockets with everything you need to
so that you feel like I have, I can go into these, these negotiations feeling really, really sturdy in what I'm asking for, knowing that it's not just for me, you know, as a, as a, a needy person myself for my little family, but it's something that is ultimately better for my employer.
It makes me, you know, you can look at kind of how your employer compares to other employers in the area or other employers in your field and look at, you can either make the case that They need to be doing more because others are doing more.
So to keep up or you can make the case that actually like they're doing the most and they need to maintain that in order to maintain their sort of their lead of retaining retaining new moms. So convince yourself and then you want to have a really firm sense. This is so basic, but you just want to know what your job description is. You would not believe how many people don't actually like.
can't stop and think like, what are the five things that are on my job description? And I guarantee you, you're doing 2,500 things because so many of us like outgrow what we're doing and we're really comfortable with the old stuff and we add the new things and we get promoted and we take the new stuff on and we don't ever get rid of the old.
That's how you find the time that you ultimately are going to need to be able to have the white space in your day to keep growing, to keep feeling like you can breathe, to have time for networking and connecting and business development and all the things that keep your career moving on that upward track.
So research outside, then research inside the company, what policies are already available that you may not be using, then go in with a sense of what your job description is and propose a plan, but also have a plan B and a plan C that fulfill that job description. And then you can also propose, this is sort of the last step, to try it. Just propose a trial period.
Because particularly if you're a new mom, but really in kind of many stages of caregiving, your needs are going to change within a month, within two months. And so you want to have this be sort of a continuum of conversations, not just a one and done. And this way you end up actually sort of showing the service you're providing. Like they're giving you something you need, but you're the test case.
You're helping them see, What works? What doesn't work? And communicating in a sort of naturally open fashion that just buys people's trust.
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Chapter 3: How can parents successfully transition back to work after maternity leave?
And there's also something I've heard and people try, which is that I know a lot of A-plus employee people as well have a tendency to want to ask permission for everything, like to get my flexible program in formal writing or that I'm officially doing an 80% schedule as opposed to just like leaving 20% early.
And getting your job done.
And getting your job done. I'm curious what you think about that.
Yeah, I mean, I think that can be such a good point, because from an HR perspective, you know, a lot of the people I work with are in talent and HR.
As soon as you have a policy, you have to make people comply to the policy, as opposed to if you just have people who find a way of being grownups and getting their job done in a different timeframe, different style, different location, that can be okay. Where it gets tricky is that, you know, we find that people are... more able to be flexible with themselves if they're privileged in some way.
So you wanna make sure that you're not imbalanced in who you let do what. And that's why you wanna come back to the job description. You just wanna make sure that people are doing the jobs they're hired to do. And if that's done... I mean, and part of your job might be showing up for the team meeting and mentoring and being around physically. That could be part of your job.
But yeah, it's sometimes the policies actually are more detrimental than not, which is which is surprising.
Yeah, well, that's that's kind of life. We're going to take one more quick ad break and then I'll be back with more from Lauren Smith Brody.
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Chapter 4: What strategies help new parents maintain their careers?
So what I've learned to do is to do sort of the low-hanging fruit stuff first, actually, to not be a eat-the-frog-for-breakfast person, but I recommend that for others who that works for. But I will... Get up, get my kids out the door, walk the dog, come back in.
Still while I'm in either my pajamas or my workout clothes, I will do like the three emails that if I don't do them that day will just haunt me the whole day and sit over my head and be the thing I avoid. So get those done quickly. They're not usually hard. They're just like the thing that needs to get out in order to move somebody else to the next step on something. Then I will try to exercise.
Oh, no, wait, wait. Before that, I have a group chat with my mom, my sister, and my dad. I'm sure you hear this a lot. And we do Wordle and we do connections. And the best thing that I am at in my entire life is connections. So I feel like an immediate sense of pride all day long, no matter how the rest of it goes. Then I do a little workout. And when I say little, I mean super little.
I do a Peloton 15-minute or 20-minute weightlifting thing, and I feel really good. And then I start my meetings. So sometimes I will have clients who I'll meet with as early as 8 or 9 a.m. I'm happy to do that. But a great day is when I start actual on-screen meetings or on-phone meetings at 10 a.m. I usually eat a late lunch. Oh wait, there was eating in there too.
I have the same, I make myself the same smoothie every day. Again, like a little bit because like if I get vitamins and protein at breakfast, like then I kind of the rest of the day is fine. And I try to do something social in the day, whether it's just a quick phone call with a friend or actually like turning a meeting into a walking meeting with somebody who's, I have a lot of colleague friends.
I'm very, very lucky to be at a stage of life where like, first of all, I work for myself and work from home. Secondly, like so many people I work with, I consider friends and so many friends I've found ways to work with. So I try to take advantage there and double dip on that. There's always a load of laundry going. I have a feeling it's the same at your house.
And then I really like to cook dinner every night. Love the sort of book ending of my day and the cooking part. Sometimes there's some work that happens afterwards, but my kids come home and generally are doing their homework while I'm wrapping up my meetings. I usually do meetings until about 6, 6.30, sometimes 7. And then we have a late dinner.
My husband has a commute, gets home around 7.30 or 8. And we sit together every night. Like they're at an age now where like anybody who doesn't have that in their life yet, like you may get there one day and it's awesome. Yeah. So I highly recommend it.
Yeah. Well, when do you do that thinking the shower thinking that you said you were trying to push out of the shower into other points of your life? When does that happen? That's a good call out.
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Chapter 5: How do organizations support working parents effectively?
Well, there were a couple of great ideas in there that I just wanted to call out. Like one, having this family group chat, doing a game together can be a fun way to start the day and stay connected with people while doing something. So it's not just what are you up to? I don't know. What are you up to?
And then working with friends that I know some people do like to have separation between work and life, but there's some wonderful upsides when you can arrange for it to have a person who you would voluntarily spend time with. Be someone that you are spending time with while on the clock. Exactly. Yes.
So Lauren, I ask all my guests, what is something, and you've given us already some, but what are some, what is something you've done recently to take a day from great to awesome?
Actually, I have a really good example for this. Maybe not. I have a feeling you have a lot of people who answer that question with, Laura, I took a walk. But, like, I took the best walk of my freaking life. Okay. It's like a nap.
There are some good naps. There are some great naps.
It's like a walk. There are some good walks and amazing walks. Okay. There's some context that makes it make more sense. So I had, this is last week. My dad is very ill and lives far, my parents live far away. I'm in New York, they're in Atlanta. So a plane ride away. But I've been trying to get home every, at least once a month for a couple of nights.
And I've had some, I was on Capitol Hill the week before that for my nonprofit. I have work travel tomorrow for a fifth trimester. So I'm just, I have like seven weeks in a row of travel. And I don't want to give anything up of all the other things I'm doing because I need the income from my paid work and my children are teenagers and I'm having this feeling of this like window is closing.
Like they actually sometimes want to spend time with me and I'm like, yes, I'll drop everything to spend time. So all of that is context to say Sunday night, Monday night, I was in Atlanta caring for my dad. extremely heavy, but really, really fulfilling conversations. I left the trip with a draft of his obituary that he wants me to work on with his best friend.
So then that meeting was scheduled, like really heavy, but important. And So simultaneously kind of, I feel bad calling it heavy, like, like very, very meaningful things.
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