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Behind the Bastards

It Could Happen Here Weekly 236

13 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Bovino's visit to Portugal?

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That's what it was doing under all of these administrations, just fucking dragging people screaming from their homes in the dark of the night. And like the only way you can get people to do that is by creating a crucible that creates Nazis. You can't have compassion for the people whose families you're tearing apart. Right.

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Like, yeah, people should read Jen Budd's book if they want to know what going through Border Patrol Academy is like. So just give a trigger warning that Jen was sexually assaulted and writes about that. Border Patrol has a very high rate of sexual assault. Right. Border Patrol is 95 percent male. Yeah.

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I have seen people in border patrol who do have compassion and then I have not seen them anymore. Like it drives those people away. They have a high dropout rate.

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And like, I think there are people who genuinely believe that what they will do is keep their community safe and rescue people who get stuck crossing the border in the desert, adjudicate them a fair process, deliver them to a fair process and they will do the best they can. I don't see those people remain in the patrol for very long.

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Like I interact with, obviously like the stance of this podcast is that you should remain silent and not talk to cops. But like I interact with border patrol agents more often than most people do, right? That is the nature of my job and the place I live and the places I go.

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And like, I think these days the recruiting they're doing, they're getting a lot of people who are coming in and starting like this. But I don't think that's always been the case. Like I understand that there are people also in communities along the border where there's very little economic opportunity and then this is the only chance they have. but I see those people get spat out.

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Like you said, Mia, if you are going to train people to tear families apart, then you have to train them to hate. And I think that is what we see in this, right? Yeah. It's really interesting. Vivino tells his own story a little bit.

Chapter 3: How does the concept of remigration relate to current events?

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And he tells his own story on this podcast I listen to as well. He starts with Operation Don't Let Him Ride. Are you familiar with Operation Don't Let Him Ride? No. Okay. So you have to go all the way back to 2010. Oh, God. In Las Vegas, Nevada. Little tiny baby Mia. Yeah. 13-year-old Mia. Oh, God. Fuck me. I feel old. I was in grad school.

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And Greg Bovino, I think he's at the Blythe station at that time, and they do this operation at a bus station in Nevada. It lasts for 60 minutes. It gets called off. The Nevada senator is pissed off about it. Their goal, they said, was to apprehend traffickers and to rescue people who had been trafficked or smuggled, right? In a community meeting...

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which was convened because the whole Latino community in Las Vegas was like, the fuck, right? This internal enforcement was not a common thing at the time. Paul Beeson, who was chief agent of the Yuma sector at the time said, quote, in that short period of time, we did not apprehend anybody we felt was actively engaged in alien smuggling. We did not encounter any human trafficking victims.

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So to me, that doesn't sound like a win. Yeah, so they were just rounding people up at bus stops. Correct. They went to like a bus depot station. Yeah, like one of the big bus. Yeah. And they just rounded people up. Yeah, exactly. So his interview with this former Border Patrol agent is... He said that they apprehended more than one alien per minute of the operation.

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That was called Operation Don't Let Them Ride.

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And that operation was set for about three days. It lasted 60 minutes. But the interesting thing is we caught more aliens than there were minutes in the operation.

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It was a very successful operation.

Chapter 4: What parallels are drawn between historical and contemporary movements?

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Very successful. Very successful. Yes, sir. Harry Reid called Hussein Obama and had that shut down immediately. But we never forgot that. We never forgot the vast amount of criminals that we apprehended in 2010 on those bus checks in Las Vegas and the pervasive problem even then.

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That we saw a lot of that problem came in under under Barack Hussein Obama, as well as Bill Clinton.

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I want to note the newspapers at the time reported a number that was more than two dozen. Technically, let's say the operation lasted 60 minutes. That is more than two dozen. It would be unusual to report a number of 60 by saying more than two dozen, right? Yeah.

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What is more interesting to me is that this operation was supposed to find people who had been trafficked and people who were trafficking and it failed. Greg Bovino seems to have seen it as a success, but... because it just found people, right? People who were undocumented, people who were otherwise in infraction of immigration laws, but who were not involved in trafficking.

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Because for him, it seems like the goal was slightly different, and therefore the criteria for success are slightly different. And this kind of fits into this narrative of him. So I can see why it is, especially in the context of him talking to the Remigration Conference, for him it's a win, but for the explicit goals of the Border Patrol at that time, it's not.

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So he cites this as the beginning of his journey to where he is, as the guy they went to. for massive surges of Border Patrol agents into cities, tearing families apart. And I think if we see it the way he sees it, then we can see why he sees it as a success. Bovino, in his early career, had worked a lot in the El Centro sector, right?

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He eventually became Chief Patrol Agent in the El Centro sector. He was in BORTAC for a while. I've read a Defence University paper that interviewed him. He was in Honduras with BORTAC training Border Patrol there. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, everyone should read Empire of Borders. Everyone should read Border Patrol Nation. But the DHS has done this for years, right?

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Funded, armed and equipped and trained Border Patrol units all over the Americas because that is how America externalizes its border. Yeah, in a very similar way to the way Europe does it with Frontex, and, you know, like, the deals they got with Gaddafi, and then the successive governments in Libya, and stuff like that. Yes.

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And the people they're training there, it's, like, School of the Americas shit, are just, like, actual monsters. Like... Yeah, I mean, the, uh... Sally Hayden's book, My Third Time We Drowned, is one of the more heartbreaking books that's available for a human to read. But if you want to know about the fucked up stuff Europe's doing in Libya, it's a good book.

Chapter 5: How did Isabello's background influence his activism in Manila?

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In his words, he took advantage of the occasion to put into practice the good ideas that he had learned from the anarchists of Barcelona, who were imprisoned with him in the infamous fortress of Montjuic. So he started organizing the working class in Manila.

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He had the benefit of actually being able to speak the language of the swaths of workers in Manila because he happened to come from the same region of the vastly linguistically diverse Philippines that they did. Hmm. He was from the Ilocos region of the island of Luzon, and he natively spoke the Ilocano language like many of the workers that had migrated to Milan.

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Though he was technically part of the intelligentsia, Isabello had a connection to the roots, you know, to the people, the streets. And so he began by organizing the printers, of course. and helping them with their strikes.

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And from there, the efforts very quickly snowballed, far quicker than the elites could have anticipated, into a cross-industry worker federation called the Union Obrera Democratica, the first of its kind in the entire country. The federation was flexible and loosely structured, which made it quite suited to undertaking various strike actions.

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But beyond demonstrations and strikes, Isabello also incorporated a little local flavor because the union was also involved in festivals and theater and music events. So it was a combination of worker and non-worker based organization. You get a little bit of everybody involved when you do that, rather than strictly focusing on just one plane of struggle and connection.

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Eventually, however, the Americans got their act together and met this movement with surveillance, arrest, and trials. And though they couldn't legally justify keeping him in jail for very long, they did throw Isabel back into jail for a short period. Now, the World Confederation would eventually collapse, but the ideas remained.

Chapter 6: What role did the Union Obrera Democratica play in the labor movement?

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And those ideas fed directly into various labor organizations, socialist parties, and guerrilla movements going forward. As for Isabello, his second wife, the one he married in Spain, died. And two years later, he married again to an 18-year-old. Isabella married and was widowed three times. He actually outlived all of his wives and had a grand total of 27 children. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

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I have no comments on what kind of father he may have been, but that's just... I mean, yeah, you can kind of assume based on those numbers. But yeah, that is what it is. And the fact that he was in Spain, got married in Spain, had six children back home who had lost their mother. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't in Spain by choice, right?

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Chapter 7: What were the consequences of Isabello's activism?

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Yeah. You know, he was middle class. He may have had family back at home taking care of his children, but still that's rough. Yeah. That is rough.

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Chapter 8: How did Isabello's personal life intersect with his political activities?

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So later on in his life... Like I mentioned before, he got into electoral politics on the municipal level and the Senate level. And he also, in his life, got to work in religious reform, eventually founding the Aglipayan Church, which was the first ever Filipino independent Catholic Christian church. Yeah, I was wondering, because you mentioned he brought over Thomas Aquinas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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He was very critical of the religious orders, the Spanish Catholic religious orders, but he ended up forming an independent Catholic church. So a Catholic church that is not associated with Rome. You said he didn't identify as an anarchist. Did he identify as a socialist? What kind of was his self-defined politics around this point and when he started running for office on the municipal level?

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I didn't see how he defined himself. I think he considered himself to be a patriot. You know, a patriot, somebody who was pro-labor. I don't know that he assigned himself necessarily the title of socialist or anarchist or liberal or anything like that. He has, however, been called the father of the Philippine labor movement and the father of Filipino socialism.

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But what do we take from all of this? You know, the empire might globalize trade, might globalize capital, might globalize... various forms of suppression, but it inevitably globalizes resistance. The same infrastructure that empires use to extend their reach across their claimed territories is the same infrastructure that radicals can use to fight.

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You know, even prison was used as a site of connection. A literal place of oppression became a place that connected people across multiple countries. I think the lesson that I take away from this kind of narrative I've spun here between the Cuban Creole Fernando Tarrido, the Puerto Rican Dr. Ramon Betances, the Italian Michel Angiolillo, and the Filipino Isabel de los Reyes,

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is that the globalization was not a one-way imposition. We could potentially adopt the empire's tools to fight back and to network our resistance. People who are doing resistance but on the other side of the political spectrum do this same thing, like the formation of ISIS in prisons because of how we imprisoned al-Qaeda members is a pretty key example of this. This is a very common thing.

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It turns out very often the master's tools actually are used to dismantle the master's house. That phrase still has some, I think, metaphorical uses. But in a sort of literalist sense, I occasionally push back on it. Because, yeah, it does view movement as a one-way thing. It has no dialectical analysis.

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And I think part of our job is adapting and moving as empire and capital adapts and moves to the flow of history. 100%. And with that, as always, all power to all the people. Peace. Here at the Happiness Lab, we're serving up some hot takes for the summer. Big ideas that just might reshape how you think about your well-being. Like, we've been thinking about the loneliness epidemic all wrong.

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You can be lonely in a marriage. You can be lonely at a party. I don't think loneliness is actually about solitude. Loneliness is about something much bigger. Or that we should get rid of small talk altogether. We talk about current events. We talk about what you do for a living. But not, do you love what you do for a living? Is this your dream job?

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