Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the very worst people in all of history that, I don't know, sometimes you just want to change up how you introduce your show, you know? You do it the same way every time. This guy. This is the biggest bastard, yeah. This guy's in the running is what I'm saying. One of them, right? Yeah, he's way up there.
He's a bigger bastard than all the pollen in the fucking air right now. Jesus, the pollen is out of control. I know. Oh my gosh. Terrible. It's awful. We just need another 12 months of winter. Come on, guys. Like a real winter this time.
I have the opposite. You know when people are like, oh my gosh, I get seasonal depression in the winter. It's like, no. Winter rocks.
Winter is so much better. I love winter. And you know what's even better than winter? Learning about a pet. Well, we're going to start anyway with our guest, Courtney Kosak. Hello, Courtney. How are you feeling? Hello. As we talk about this monster. Glad to be back for another horrific episode. Oh, good. Well, we're glad to have you back. We love having you on the show.
We love tormenting you with horrible things. That's what you do with your friends. You know, you gather together. That is not what you do with your friends, buddy. Spend time talking about Jimmy Savile. That's what you do with your friends. Yeah, that's why I don't have that many of them. That's what Jimmy Savile does with his friends. Is what Jimmy Savile did with his friends. Yeah, yeah.
Talking about a lot of these same crimes, I presume, with his cop friends, at least. Oh, my goodness. This is an iHeart Podcast.
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Chapter 2: What was the role of the Duncroft School in Jimmy Savile's story?
This was not hard, since the man had become a regular guest not just in Margaret Thatcher's household. She, like, invites him over for holidays sometimes. Like, he comes over and has dinner with some regularity. And he is also a somewhat regular guest of the royal family. In 1985, Savile convinced Prince Charles and Princess Di to guest host a two-hour anti-drug special called Drugs Watch.
with him. That's good. Again, we know he's drugging some of the girls and boys that he's raping, right? We have reports of that, sometimes just giving them alcohol. But like, anyway, thanks for the anti-drug PSA, Jimmy. I'm sure it helped. That same year. Yeah, it must have.
Thank God Princess Di and Prince Charles were there too, you know, really to lend an air of responsibility to the proceedings. I'm sure that got a lot of kids out of bad places. Now, that same year, during an event for health care officials, Prince Charles jokingly referred to Savile as my health advisor. He talks about him constantly.
Savile was also known to Pope John Paul II, who met so Pope John Paul, like, visits- England during this period for like the first time a pope had visited London in some period of time. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. But it was a big deal, obviously, given like the history of the Church of England, right? How the Church of England starts is this breakaway from the Catholic Church.
And there's generations for which the Catholic Church is suppressed violently in England and in Ireland, obviously. So the fact that a pope is visiting England is like a big deal, right? And John Paul II, he'd been shot over in the USSR. He's like a big deal pope.
And one of the first people the Pope meets when he lands in London, this is on TV, this is a major event, is he walks right up to and shakes hands with Jimmy Savile. This is like a major part, like he's one of the first people the Pope meets in England. Because Savile's like a famous Catholic. Is the Pope ironically like the only non-pedophile in this story?
Oh, I wouldn't ā I don't want to go to bat for J.P. II that hard. Okay, okay. He definitely ā I am certain ā again, I'm not an expert on John Paul II's specific involvement in the Catholic Church's covering up of sex crimes, but I don't believe he was uninvolved. So I'm certainly not going to say that.
Okay.
Okay. He was the pope while the Catholic Church was hiding. Yeah, I doubt he was completely in the clear. I don't know. I'm not an expert on his involvement, though. Sure, sure, sure. Right. He's in charge, and it's happening in his organization. So in the rare but not that rare instances where people did try to report on Saffel's behavior, as I noted, he is an expert on the UK's libel laws.
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Chapter 3: How did Savile exploit his connections with Margaret Thatcher?
So they're like, yeah, he's just. He's a real swinger. He's a hip guy. He's just got large appetites or whatever. People find ways to have it not be their problem. I feel like the libel laws should cover the slander against all grown-up women in relationships. All grown-up women in relationships? Yeah. No, shockingly, it doesn't. That you're clear on.
Savile would also publicly in interviews, he would repeatedly insist that he hated children, right? Like, I don't like kids. I don't like them at all. That's why I'm not in a relationship. That's why I don't have any. I just don't actually like them.
Dog, were you not hosting a child show? What?
Yeah. Yeah. That got that people thought that was weird. It got people talking right about the fact he hates kids, but he does this child show. He's basically Santa Claus. That's odd. And in the twilight of Jimmy's career, documentarian Louis Theroux asked him, like, why do you say this? Like, why do you say you hate kids? Because, like, I see you on TV.
It doesn't seem like you hate kids based on how you perform with them on stage. And Savile was like, well, yeah, that's a lie, basically. And his exact response was, we live in a very funny world. And it's easier for me as a single man to say I don't like children because that puts a lot of salacious tabloid people off the hunt. A hunt of what, Jimmy? A hunt of what?
Well, yeah, and Louis kind of asks. I love Louis as a general rule. He doesn't go hard enough. He does do more than a lot of journalists did at the time, but it's not nearly enough in this interview because he does basically ask him, are you a pedophile? And Jimmy's like, no, of course not. But, you know, I don't want anyone looking into my life. And so just lies like this are easier.
It stops you from looking into your life. But you're just saying you're trying to throw people off the hunt. That's not I want.
A hunt of what? What?
Listeners to this show, I've made references. I have a long-term partner that I've been with for a while. Like, I have a personal life. I have a romance. I don't talk about it in detail because people on the internet are weird. And, like, if you go into detail, if you let people know who you're seeing or whatever, like, folks are fucking... Like, you don't want to...
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Chapter 4: What evidence exists of Savile's abuse at NHS facilities?
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Chapter 5: How did Savile manipulate his public persona?
They get to cut costs. They get to bust a union. Fucking Maggie loves that shit. And she's got Savile's doing. He's literally like, I cannot overstate. This is not a side thing. She didn't happen to be friends with this guy. Jimmy Savile is a significant, meaningful part of Thatcherism. Like, he is a major and important part of her entire regime.
Like, that has to be driven home to people, how key he is in this whole period of time in British political history. And the fact that he's now running this hospital, he's able to fire basically anyone he wants to who's going to speak up at anything, that just makes him even more fucking bulletproof to the people he's raping and molesting and abusing in other ways.
Now, the fact that there were employees at all these facilities who saw Savile's behavior and tried to intervene ā this doesn't just happen at Broadmoor. There are employees everywhere that he volunteers who try to say something, but it never goes anywhere. And it is important, though, that ā it is important to emphasize there are people trying to intervene, right? Yeah.
And that fact often gets lost, in part because it doesn't work, but in part because a lot of powerful people have a vested interest in the fact that folks tried to stop Jimmy being lost.
Because by far, the best way that you can interpret this, that the public can interpret this, the British public specifically, can interpret Jimmy Savile and what happened in his crimes is, oh, this was just a monster who manipulated and hid in plain sight and he tricked everybody. We all fell for it. No one knew anything was going on. Yeah, nobody had any idea. Yeah. People knew.
Jimmy was allowed to rape and abuse people. Thatcher and everyone in her, and everyone that we talked about who was a part of fucking Curry. I will say it right now. I'm not prone to those laws. I think Curry and Thatcher and everyone else involved in the decision to put him in that position in Broadmoor. If they didn't know he was outright raping kids, they knew he was raping people.
They knew he was having, they would probably have affirmed as having sex with people who were underage.
They knew what the fuck he was.
They knew what he was doing, and they knew they were putting him in a position where he could do it more, and they did it because it benefited them politically. They didn't know maybe all the specifics, but they knew enough.
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