Part One: Radovan Karadžić: The Genocidal Dictator Who Became a New-Age Guru
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What is the overall focus of this episode and who is Radovan Karadžić?
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Uh never forget nine eleven and never forget to listen to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that you are all listening to now. This is our nine eleven episode extravaganza, even though you'll be hearing it probably several weeks after nine eleven, so I don't even know why I'm like temporalizing this, because it's just gonna feel old when it hits you. You will already have had your nine eleven cake. You'll have opened all of your nine eleven presents.
I'm feeling a little somber. So if if you feel a tinge of sadness in my voice, just that's me not forgetting. I that's that's Jamie remembering. Yeah. I'm always remembering. The
the the like discourse today online was like the worst of the right being like Did you see Mom Donnie and AOC having a giggle during the during the nine eleven tribute in New York nine eleven
tribute? Yeah.
You're like, did you see that Donald Trump wasn't there? I
don't care. I don't care about any
of these the things. I don't care about any of these things.
It's fine.
Just it is it is it is bizarre that like of of all of the days uh that we uh the thousands of days we've been very insincere about it. We're like we're gonna do we're gonna do just we're gonna
remember. We're gonna remember
and today we're gonna remember for real, for real. For real, for real. Um I'm and what I I'm what
I remember on nine eleven is the film Big Trouble, which was tragically delayed as a result of nine eleven because it featured a plot line in which a nuclear weapon was set off in a commercial airliner. Uh and so so tragically Tim Allen lost what would have been one of his better comedy releases.
And wa and we won't forget that. I remember I'll never
for I will never forget that, Jamie.
I'll never forget they changed the climax of Lilo and Stitch. Stitch hijacked a plane and then they said we cannot be having we can't have Stitch be doing Al Qaeda activity. Yeah.
Yeah. You know what I'm really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really excited about it. Oh, see,
Sophie, that's not how you're the century. I was going to say you know how there were two towers on nine eleven.
Oh, that's better. Jamie
Loftus has a book coming out called The Tower.
Wow, what
a plug. Jamie,
you wanna tell people about it? See, I'm ready. I was ready to plug.
Wow, you're lo Okay. Uh yeah, there is a secret third tower. And uh what if that what if it was a nine eleven book book and I really have been I've been secretly remembering for years. You have no idea. Um yeah, no, my my first novel's coming out. It's about just just one tower, but uh a beautiful tower. Um it's about uh it's a novel about an architect who falls in love with her own blueprint and then spends twenty years trying to get the love of her life uh built so she can leave her husband for the building. Awesome.
I'm excited to read it.
The highs are high, the lows are low. The
lows of writing a book are very low.
It's uh the hardest thing in the world. That said I I'm I'm sure I I'm sure by the time you hear this I've I've figured it out.
Jamie, it's very appropriate that you said writing a book is the hardest thing in the world because the subject, the bastard that we're talking about this week, is an author and I think would agree with you writing a book is the hardest thing in the world, which is impressive because he also committed a genocide. So Maybe not the best way to talk about it, but we're talking about the Balkans this week and there's no easy way to lead into a story about the Balkans. If you are if you are talking about the Balkans, you're talking about a lot of people dying. That's just that's just history in the Balkans. Yeah.
There's always a part of me that thinks someday you're gonna come in hot with Saddam Two. You know? Like there's always just a little like there's another novel. Saddam Two found They made another
Saddam's last novel like Tupac, he keeps dropping novels like every fifteen years after his death.
Yeah, on the centennial we're gonna get a new romance novel. Uh R I R I P Sadab, you would have loved the romantic trend going on right now.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the overall focus of this episode and who is Radovan Karadžić?
0:01–10:36
2
How did the history and geography of the Balkans set the stage for Karadžić’s rise?
10:36–22:22
3
What were the key events in Karadžić’s early life and family background?
22:22–32:49
4
How did the alleged incest and murder of his cousin shape Karadžić’s character?
32:49–42:15
5
What role did Karadžić play during World War II and the Yugoslav conflicts?
42:15–52:13
6
How did Karadžić transition from a poet‑psychiatrist to a political figure after the war?
52:13–1:01:48
7
Why was Karadžić arrested in the 1980s and what were the accusations against him?
1:01:48–1:10:20
8
What clues hint at Karadžić’s future as a war criminal and what’s coming next?
1:10:20–1:19:39