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Behind the Bastards

Part One: X-Mas Special: The Heroes Who Ended The Slave Trade

23 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What historical context is provided about the Atlantic Slave Trade?

5.245 - 22.665 Robert Evans

What's enslaving my like 10 million people over the course of 300 or so years? Welcome to Behind the Bastards. Sophie, people have missed the old kind of introduction where I did like a what's axing my wise sort of thing. Is there something inappropriate about how I did this intro?

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22.785 - 28.992 Sophie

It was very inappropriate. Also, I liked my intro where I said, welcome to Behind the Bastards. I'm not Robert Evans.

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29.393 - 34.38 Robert Evans

Yeah, you didn't do a British accent last time, Sophie, which was a weird choice for the second one.

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34.4 - 38.445 Sophie

But I was doing that not because of our guests, but because of our topic.

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38.465 - 40.348 Robert Evans

Oh, I thought you were doing that because of our guest.

40.709 - 42.771 Sophie

No, I would never mock James.

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Sir James Stout.

44.954 - 46.216 Sophie

Sir James Stout.

46.236 - 63.938 Robert Evans

There it is. Yeah, absolutely not. I don't think that's happening any time in the near future. And if anyone touched me with a sword, period, I'd have a back at them if they tried. Well, Margaret told me the other day that I would make a great Queen of England. You did, Robert, when we fenced. Oh, yeah, we did. I was pretty drunk, I think.

Chapter 2: Who were the key figures involved in ending the slave trade?

934.022 - 952.965 Robert Evans

Everyone wants this stuff. But it only grows in the tropics, right? It does not. You can't transplant it back to Europe or wherever where you have established agricultural infrastructure. It's not going to do well. No, we do that with beetroot instead. Yeah, you do the beetroot. You make shitty beet sugar if you want. Yeah, not the same.

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And you can't take European farmers in moss and transport them to the Caribbean or to like the African coast because they die. They die really quickly. It's very – they don't do well in the climate with the bugs, with the diseases. It's just not a good bet. And so the only way that you can farm a lot of sugar is slaves. Right. Right.

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977.948 - 992.443 Robert Evans

I mean, theoretically, they could have just paid locals to make it. But part of the problem is that especially in the Caribbean, they do initially start and they're not paying them. They're enslaving local laborers, but they kill those a lot of those local indigenous people quickly. Right. So you you need one way or the other.

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992.623 - 1013.366 Robert Evans

You need a shitload of slaves if you're going to keep this this sugar thing going and really spin it up to the the the kind of industry Portugal knows it can be. Now, the Portuguese had explored the Guinea coast of Africa, and they had found tribes who wanted the goods they had to trade, largely guns and gunpowder. That was a big thing for the tribes that they meet.

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And they were willing to exchange enslaved human beings. And these were generally captured members of enemy tribes, right? That was the primary way – we'll talk about this a bit more, but like these are – these tribes are fighting their own wars, right? And like most cultures –

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including european cultures a very common thing to do when you beat an enemy in war is take a bunch of them into slavery right uh and so they've got these slaves lying around so to speak and the portuguese are like we need people do you like guns and a lot of these tribes are like yeah actually guns sound great uh so this trade kind of starts up and the portuguese begin taking captured african slaves and moving them to island plantations near the guinea coast right they're not

1057.148 - 1071.951 Robert Evans

You know, taking him to the West Indies at first, right? Because that's not part of Portugal's sphere of influence at the time. So around the same time, though, their Spanish rivals had started building sugar plantations in the Caribbean. And these were at first, as I said, manned by indigenous islanders.

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But the brutality of the work and the disease brought by Europeans quickly wiped a lot of these people out, so many that there weren't enough to continue laboring. In 1518, the Spanish king ordered 4,000 African slaves imported to the Caribbean, paying Portugal for the human labor needed to fuel their sugar plantations and launching the Atlantic slave trade.

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So that's kind of – this is sort of the generally agreed like start to the slave trade, a little bit of a soft start because like when do you count that? But like probably when Portugal starts sending slaves to Spanish colonies in the Caribbean is a good start. El Mina, that fort first established as a hub for gold trading, was converted into a prison for enslaved Africans.

Chapter 3: What role did the British Empire play in the slave trade?

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Yeah, he could just leave him alone. He could just leave him alone. So on the seaboard side of Elmina was the chillingly named Door of No Return. This is where enslaved people were offloaded into slave ships, right? Which would take them to their final destinations.

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While the Portuguese and the Spaniards whetted Europe's appetite for African slaves, other European powers were quick to involve themselves in the exploding industry and as things kind of soured for the Portuguese and Spanish empires, other players are going to take over the slave trade. Now, as I noted, the money that fueled the slave trade is European, right?

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1648.884 - 1667.22 Robert Evans

Slavery became central to the economy of New World possessions in places like the Caribbean. But it's not a purely European business. It is a partnership. And the people, a crucial part of the slave trade, because it's not Europeans wandering into the center of the country generally to grab people, right? Like, that's not how this is happening.

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These slaves are being taken and are being transported by koffel, which is like a chain of... basically handcuffs and chains that keeps a line of people together, right? Like it's how you chain a bunch of slaves together and walk them from wherever in the country you're taking them to the coast where they're going to get onto a slave ship, right?

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They used coffles as well in the Americas and like once... It's not just but like, yeah, that's how they're being transported. And the slaves are being gathered and taken generally by a mix of African and Arab slave traders, right? These people are doing the dirty work of actually capturing the human beings who are then loaded on the ships and sold.

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And for these traders, their participation in what we know as the Atlantic slave trade wouldn't have seemed to them a huge departure from the kinds of slavery that had existed since antiquity. In a 2005 study for Anti-Slavery International, Mike Kay writes, "...slavery existed in Africa and elsewhere before the intervention of Europeans, albeit in a very different context."

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People were enslaved as a consequence of being captured in war, as a punishment for committing a crime, or as a means of escaping famine. While enslavement in Africa could be extremely brutal, African slaves had a social as well as an economic value, and they brought prestige and status to their owner. Slaves held in Africa were still generally considered people and part of society.

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By contrast, those sold into the transatlantic slave trade were seen as chattel to be bought and sold. Their only worth was considered in monetary terms. As a consequence, enslaved Africans were routinely tortured, whipped, branded, beaten, chained, etc., separated from other family members, even deprived of their own names.

1760.203 - 1779.037 Robert Evans

Hardly any of the millions who were transported across the Atlantic ever returned to Africa. And that's important, which is that like, you know, it's a bad thing to be a slaver, but these slavers are not thinking of slavery in the same way as the Europeans who are taking the enslaved people from them, right? That it's just a very different thing.

Chapter 4: How did the abolitionist movement gain momentum?

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Now, even outside of direct involvement in the plantation system, it's impossible to avoid – like I said earlier, Britain exported about 150,000 firearms per year to Africa during this period of time in like the 1700s. And these guns are being traded to locals in exchange for people. Right. the city of Birmingham was a major copper powerhouse.

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And much of that copper was also sent overseas to Africa where it was traded for people because it's not just guns they're trading. So again, it's really hard just not to be involved in some, to some extent, in profiting from the slave trade, even if you don't want to. Right, yeah. And it seems like there's no one who didn't want to. Everyone was just fine with it. Yeah, very.

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It's pretty much just the, oh shit, it's pretty much just the, not Mennonites, what are they fucking called? Quakers? Yeah, sorry, it's pretty much just the Quakers who don't want to be financially, like, not all of the Quakers in this period of time, let's be clear.

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But like the Quakers are fairly consistently, a lot of Quakers from a fairly early point in the slave trade are saying this is bad and we shouldn't do it. But they're also seen as kind of kooks to most people because they're saying crazy shit like, it's bad to be in the military and fight and die for a king. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't be killing each other. They're saying crazy shit.

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2530.68 - 2551.737 Robert Evans

I think these wacky Quakers. The term Quaker is one that they didn't prefer to use for themselves, right? It's like a derogatory term that was put upon them, I guess. I think so. Yeah, they called themselves... I know they called themselves friends. Yeah, the friends. And it's one of those, like...

2551.717 - 2568.278 Robert Evans

Hard to pick a group of people in, like, Western society in early modernity who were more consistently right than the Quakers. They really called it quite a few times. Yeah, you could go back and be like, yep, yep. I mean, still, I could go to bed on everything, but a lot.

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Yeah, this very morning, I was out with a Quaker friend, and we were helping some migrants get groceries because they can't get them otherwise, and they need to feed their kids over the holidays. Like, they're... That's still doing a pretty good job. Yeah.

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You know, we can talk about religion and all of the things I don't agree with, but if you're, if, if you're pretty, if you're hewing pretty close to the idea that like, it's bad to kill people and it's bad to own people and it's good to feed people. Yeah. You're going to be right more than you're wrong.

2598.898 - 2599.578 Unknown

Yeah. Yeah.

Chapter 5: What was the significance of the Zong slave ship incident?

3185.606 - 3190.312 Robert Evans

They are fighting for the rights of a separate group of people, of outsiders, people who aren't even their countrymen generally.

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3190.823 - 3210.9 Robert Evans

Yeah, it's a really interesting way to frame it. It's significant, right? And that deserves to be celebrated. There's also this kind of annoying thing today, and I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that a loud minority of racists today will argue that the Atlantic slave trade isn't something Westerners should be ashamed of.

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It's something that we should be proud of because we ended slavery, and nobody else ever tried to do that, right? It's an example of how good our culture is, that we're the only ones who tried to end slavery. White Europeans are the first people to decide slavery should be banned, you know? Jesus. Fucking nonsense. Like, it's not true for one thing.

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There were societies that banned kinds of slavery, at least, you know, they still had things that we might say is problematic. But like, anyway, whatever. Any acknowledgement of how remarkable the pan abolitionist cause was and it was has to be tempered by the acknowledgement that it came into being not to be not like the abolitionists that we're talking about.

3255.318 - 3268.885 Robert Evans

We're not fighting against slavery as the general concept that had existed since time immemorial. They were fighting specifically against the uniquely terrible abolitionists. and uniquely Western chattel slave trade that existed from the 16th to the 19th centuries.

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The nightmarish horrors of that system, which was so much worse than the very bad slavery that existed forever, is what inspired this movement. Unfortunately, I'm a person who teaches at a college right now, and we're living in the era of chatbots, right?

3291.031 - 3306.876 Robert Evans

And I have noticed a certain number of chatbot-generated essays arguing this point that you are making, and it doesn't get any less upsetting, even after reading it hundreds of times. Or like, yeah, there was slavery elsewhere, and...

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It's like if at some point in the future America got a complete handle on the whole gun thing and did whatever we had to do to make sure that nobody dies from guns in the United States again. And then people like 100 years after that were like, yeah, America is the greatest culture ever because we were the only ones who realized guns were bad.

Chapter 6: What were the conditions like for enslaved people during the Middle Passage?

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Stubbs then accused Beard of being a pimp at a bawdy house and that he and John Roberts were highway robbers. To top it off, Stubbs accused Roberts of trying to breed a mutiny, which Lewin also found to be an ill-designed falsehood. The bickering, discord, and wild accusations led Captain Lewin to describe Stubbs as a wicked and treacherous character.

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Another official on the ship said Stubbs was inclined towards malice and wicked enough to say what he cannot justify. So again, these guys are all slave traders, and they're like, this dude's a fucking dick.

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An asshole among the worst people in history. It's like when other billionaires are like, Elon Musk, what a fucking prick. What's wrong with that dude? Yeah. You really have to be on another level of asshole. Yeah. Now, as noted in that above passage, they said he brought his son, his 12-year-old boy, George, on the trip with him. And this was not normal.

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Kara notes that there are no records of any other governor bringing a child that young to Africa with them. In fact, what Stubbs did was so weird that the company puts rules in place to ban any other officials from bringing kids under 15 with them in the future. They're like, what is he doing? A 12-year-old? The fuck? Do we know why? Yes. Yes, we do, Sophie. Okay.

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As soon as they reach the fort, he gives his son George a job working for the fort as like a copywriter, I think. He's like keeping track of accounts or something. And he pockets his son's salary. That's why he brought his kid. So he can make him, he's kind of enslaving his 12-year-old boy. What a turd. Yeah. He's got one move and it's... Yeah, right.

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Yeah, that takes fuck them kids to another level. Oh, it's so funny. And the thing is, George is not even making much money. He's getting about 80 pounds a year, equivalent to less than $25,000 a year. And his fucking... Stubbs is a governor. He's making better money than that. He's just like... He just likes to do it. He just loves to abuse a child.

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Yeah.

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The love of the game. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So it becomes increasingly clear that all this guy cares about is money. He's not interested in his kid, and he's not interested in the other human beings around him, and he's going to treat them like shit.

Chapter 7: How did insurance companies factor into the slave trade?

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Cubs is back. And of course he is. Cubs is back in charge.

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He's like a boomerang.

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Can't keep a bad man down. So the first mate, Kelsall, protests. And again, one of the last command decisions Collingswood makes is he forces Kelsall to be confined to quarters and also orders him to stop updating his logbook.

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which suggests that he and Stubbs and colleagues don't want a record of what's going to happen next, which suggests that they're kind of pre-planning what's going to happen, actually. We don't really know if that's the case, but it's a weird order to give Kelsall, right? Now, for weeks, the Zorg sails without a real captain, going increasingly off course as the water supplies dwindle.

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Things get so bad that they have to free Kelsall from confinement because they're like someone who knows what they're doing. We're going to die. We're literally going to die. and the crew starts to panic that they're going to run out of water, right? Now, they're not actually out of water.

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They're not even really that on the verge of being out of water, but they have no idea where they are, and water supplies are low, right? And they kind of realize they've got a little less than they thought they had, and so they start panicking, and a decision is made to stretch their supplies by throwing dozens of enslaved passengers into the ocean. Jeez. So...

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If you're thinking about this the way they're thinking about this, these people are money. And the women and children are worth less at market than the men. And they're less likely to survive the journey anyway. Yeah. Yeah. They're throwing enslaved women and children into the ocean to die a horrific drowning death?

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Yeah, that's their first plan, is to break into the chunk of the hold where they keep the women and children and grab a bunch of them and throw them into the sea. Per Kara's book, The Zorg, quote, The cabin windows on a typical frigate like the Zorg were no larger than five to six square feet. Once the woman slave realized she was being thrown out, she would have resisted.

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She could pull her body weight down, plant her feet and hands against the window frame, bite her captors or scream. To force a resistant adult female through a small cabin window would have required a great deal of violence.

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