Chapter 1: What is the focus of this episode about the end of the slave trade?
Uh, we're back. Yeah. Uh, welcome to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that is this week not about bad things. Uh, it's about good things. Um, well, kind of. It's still about bad things, but it's about how good things were done to fight a bad thing. Anyway, we're talking about the end of the slave trade with our guest, James Stout. Author, James Stout. Author, Dr. James Stout.
That's right, yeah, I am. Both of those things. I have recently written a book. I've written two books, actually. The first one you should get at your library. You shouldn't pay for it. It's far too expensive. But the second one, I would love it if you pre-ordered. It's called Against the State. It's about anarchists and comrades at war in Spain, Myanmar, and Rojava.
And it contains many of the things I have learned while being fortunate enough to share small parts of these two revolutions and study the other in an academic fashion. I think there's a lot you can learn even if you're not particularly interested in conflict and war. And I hope that people will pre-order it from AK Press. Yeah, pre-order that from AK Press and you'll be a hero too.
Although, you know, not quite as much of a hero as the people we're talking about today because they ended the slave trade. And, you know, that's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's a thing to do in your life. Yeah, it's a pretty high bar.
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Chapter 2: Who is Granville Sharp and what role did he play in the abolition movement?
Yeah, there are other divisions. Quakers, as I've repeatedly noted, have been central to the anti-slavery cause from the beginning. But because of their niche religious views, they're also opponents of a bunch of other stuff, like being in the military or paying taxes or following the Anglican Church.
And so a lot of people who might be open to the broader cause are like, well, I don't want anything to do with Quakers, right? They're nuts. You know, that's how I'm not Quaker listeners. I'm not shit talking. That's how a lot of people feel at the time.
Right.
Who are otherwise maybe down for the cause. Yeah. The idea of being teetotal is not comprehensible to average 18th century British person. Or kill people. Well. What do they do all weekend? Yeah. Look, I'm fine with getting rid of slavery, but I draw the line at not drinking and shooting Frenchmen.
So it was clear to Sharp and to Clarkson and their fellows that the cause needed a central organizing hub that lacked any of this baggage and could act as a big tent. So they formed a committee and they all met together to hash things out. Here's how Mike K. described what happened next. Clarkson and Sharpe brought more than their individual skills to the community.
They were important figureheads who could forge alliances with people the Quakers could not reach. They were instrumental in bringing the movement into the mainstream by forming partnerships with people like William Wilberforce, a member of parliament who later became the movement's parliamentary spokesperson.
We're not going to talk enough about Wilberforce in these episodes, but he's also a big hero here. Right? So this is going to send Clarkson on a personal quest. He's going to be the member of the society who goes out into the world to gather this information and bring it back, right, so that they can prove to everyone that this is not just ā the Zorg wasn't a one-off.
This is just how bad things always are in the slave trade. And we'll return to Clarkson a bit later. He's heading off right now to go find a bunch of dirt on the slave business, right? And while the society is getting itself up off the ground, other activists who are not a part of this group are hard at work providing firsthand documentation of the hideous evils of the slave trade.
And this brings us back to our friend Equiano, right? And another guy. Because the next year, 1787, the same year Robert Stubbs dies, a former slave named Atoba Cuguano publishes his autobiography. He'd been kidnapped at age 13 and trafficked to England in 1772.
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Chapter 3: How did Thomas Clarkson contribute to the fight against slavery?
Yeah. Perfect. I love that he wrote that as well. Yeah, yeah. No shame about it.
Okay.
The elder Newton gets his son an apprenticeship on a different ship, but teenage John is too rebellious. Dunn describes him as switching between fits of aggressive rage and nonconformity, followed by days of obsessive meditation and prayer, begging God to forgive him for his sins. He would fast for days at a time, which was also not conducive to his career.
Yeah, it's just not great working at a boat while starving. Although a lot of sailors are starving a lot of the time anyway, so it's not that weird either. Sailing. It's good if you could, the points when you don't have to be starving, if you can not be starving, it's probably better for your longevity if you don't. Yeah. Yeah. You really want to eat when there is food.
Because there might not always be food. Yeah. Because you're on a boat. Yeah. Yeah. In 1742, his dad retires. John is now 17, and his father tries to secure him another job. This one is the overseer on a Jamaican plantation one of his friends owned, right? And he's like, look, it's a great job. You'll make money. It's safe. You know, you can get rich and then come home with money, right?
John doesn't flake because he doesn't want to be a slave overseer. He flakes because he falls in love with a 15-year-old, right? And he really wants to marry this teenager. Oh, no.
Oh, no.
That's not the kind of sin I'd been hoping he was into, to be honest. To be fair, he's not a lot older than her, right? I think she's actually like 13 or so, but when they fall in love. So it is a little weird, but he's not that. Like, he's a teenager too, I think, when they start. He starts. Okay. flirting with her. But yeah, it's not good. It's not great.
He feels like things are settling into place in his life. He gets another job. He's working on a boat. He feels like he's definitely going to marry this girl. He gets over the worst of his religious anxieties and becomes basically an atheist, right? Which he writes about something.
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Chapter 4: What were the significant impacts of the Haitian Revolution on abolitionism?
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Chapter 5: What were the outcomes of the Dolben Act regarding the slave trade?
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