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Chapter 1: What inspired Chris Robinson to pursue a music career?
My wife and I were in the UK all of March last year. And everyone's like, fucking hell, what's up with you and that fucking orange buffoon? And I'm like, I said, you're asking me. I said, I'm in Cornwall, England. I said, you'll never meet anyone who's into that motherfucker because they don't have passports.
I'm here. I'm here.
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And it's so funny, I re-listened to it last night, getting ready, like going to bed, I put it on, kind of, and it's so much of this stuff you guys are talking about there two years ago are so prevalent today.
And one of the things is this need to, these kids, and I sound old, but with the phone in their hand, they're not living, and they have nothing to write about, and they have nothing to tell you about.
You know what's funny? And I get that, you know, hey, I'm not a comic, but it's always, it was the first thing I ever did on stage was attempt some standup when I was 16. Where?
Punchline?
In Atlanta.
I know, where?
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Chapter 2: How did The Black Crowes create their iconic sound?
I can't spell abacus. How could I work one? You know what I mean?
Tallahassee kicks my ass every time.
But on the other hand, as you know, and again, it's worked for me because that's the poet, really. You know what I mean? And I use that word not in a guy who, although I do like a French cuff. You know what I mean? Yeah.
but it's how you interact with the world and that stuff we were talking about how like you know for some reason my my thing too is i'll cease a word and i and it'll be if it's tranny or tyranny but a lot of times for me seeing that word the wrong way is it is is It's even better.
Hearing things the wrong way. Like people have a conversation. There was a guy who was saying that he got paralyzed because he fell asleep in the back of a truck. I misheard it. And I thought he said, I got paralyzed from the waist up. And I could not stop laughing at the idea that his bottom half worked. And I was like...
but like that but i mishear things and then i'll hear like was that what you said and they'll go no and then i'll go oh it's better this way i like that i was i just read this really funny book yesterday i whipped through the whole thing of this guy who played drums for george jones in the in the 80s early 80s wrote this crazy book
and it made me think i mean george jones is is hilarious i mean it's hilarious some of the in this book is hilarious but i met george jones once backstage at the ryman in nashville and it was it was unbelievable johnny cash had passed away and they were doing a johnny cash thing so i'm in the dressing room at the rhyme i've played there many times and there's chris christopherson and george jones and i'm like standing there and i'm like
Gee, I mean, fuck me, this is... I've been around some rock and roll stars, but this is like another thing. And it was great. And...
at some point i i don't know the song that well but they were doing the highwaymen that song and i guess johnny cash maybe saying a a thing about being one of the guys building the dam on the columbia river and said i was a damn builder on the columbia and george and chris and i'm talking to george jones i'm like losing my mind and chris christopherson comes over and he goes you got it george george is reading the lyrics he goes i was a damn builder
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Chapter 3: What was the significance of 'She Talks to Angels' in Chris's life?
We were like, this is the fucking best. And then we'd get on stage and it would be horrible.
But it was the thing to do. But you also had heroes. I've had heroes. This is silly. Keith Richards is my hero. You know what I mean? There's a line in Keith Richards' book that I am not a big reader, but I sat with his book and it was something to the effect of You asked for your heroes, and then I gave you one, and you're going to criticize how I gave you a hero? Yeah.
I love that fucking line, but I have heroes, and I had heroes in comedy when I got into comedy, and they were always better than me. I was never...
i feel like these days in art and in music they take down their heroes too quick that guy and in comedy it definitely happens we're like there's comics out there that there's so many comics out there now i mean i think it's so much easier to get a special up and put it online and have content content crowd work comic and you're not you're not really working on the art form per se you're just trying to get clicks but there are comics out there that there are comics out there that take their shirt off on stage that i think don't know who i am
And you're like, at that point, you're like, you gotta, it's almost like, and I was wondering this a little bit, is it better to know a lot about music or nothing about music when you're making an album?
Yeah, I mean, that's never, we never let our hero thing get in the way. No, it's funny because just the other day in something, I saw an old magazine cover for some magazine. It was like the Black Crowes, Posers or whatever. I was like, we were always being criticized. I remember that once this guy wrote like, I mean, they talk about smoking weed like they're the only one. Like it's new.
I'm like, well, it is. That used to be my point. My point is like, why could these bands... If that's how we're living at the time, I mean, just the weed thing was... Back then, you know, kids today, I'm like, yeah, you go to fucking jail. You're not even jail, prison. You're going to prison for some weed, man. You know what I mean?
Respect paid to, I'll say our generation. You're a little bit older than me in life, but in growing up, you're a lot older than me. Meaning like when we were kids, we had different life experiences. You got to experience KISS when they came out, you saw them and you were like developmental. Like meaning like you were like of an age. I was still like first grade when KISS showed up.
I was like, those are the scariest clowns I've ever seen. but one of the things that no one and this is what makes me so angry about all these kids that are walking away from booze and microdosing and and microdosing are you out of your mind that's the coward's dose what are you doing you think what are you doing nothing nothing bums me out more than well some wealthy
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Chapter 4: What experiences shaped Chris Robinson's views on touring and performing?
In Atlanta. Let's be very clear. Atlanta. Not...
roswell not a marietta no i'm we are atlanta natives and then um for some unfortunate reason my parent when we had moved to charlotte north carolina in 1974. so my dad you know he was a shmada business he was sales rep for children's clothing yeah manufacturers willie loman that world doesn't exist anymore no it doesn't
we we went back when we moved back to atlanta my parents for i imagine financial situation they were in and we ended up out in the burbs really um which you know i i'm still resentful of them i'm just kidding they did what they had to do and and i and it is funny as well because We had a great life, Rich and I. We had food. My parents didn't hit us. They weren't addicts. You know what I mean?
Nothing is perfect, of course. But there was nothing dramatic or traumatic. But that being said, I hated their aesthetic. I hated that this was okay. Yeah. That this is where we, a 5'4 and a door next to these fucking people. You know what I mean? Yeah. I was like, this isn't, you know, you know, mom and dad, this is only going to, this is the fertile ground for vandalism.
You know that, don't you? You know what I mean? Yeah. But luckily for me, it is funny that my interests early Especially, you know, I started to find music and things that were, again, askew from what I didn't. We didn't watch MTV. We liked other, we liked Night Flight on USA because on Saturday nights at two in the morning, they had the New Wave Theater with Peter Ivers.
And that was to me like, cause at that time I'm also into like beat literature and I'm into poetry now. And I'm starting now because I lived in the suburbs during the VHS cassette thing. I could go to the neighborhood,
video rental and go to the midnight movies called classics and and foreign films and have a world onto my own that that my mom and dad would i i have no idea what they would have thought if they knew the things that i was like watching and reading and like staying up till two in the morning to watch crazy la punk rock cable access wild politics on there and
it all made sense in like, cause I was really into this beatnik thing. And then my parents had all these records. So on top of all this stuff I was bringing in, there was Moe's Allison records and Jimmy Reed records and Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs. I mean, I had like all, my parents had like maybe almost 300 records, which was a lot for the average kind of family, you know?
So luckily the suburbs, as horrible as it was, It was also like I was teasing, but it was the real Petri dish for like, I have to, which is dyslexic thing was good. I could kind of cocoon myself into my interest and keep the regular,
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Chapter 5: How does Chris Robinson view the evolution of the music industry?
It's not like I'm a Navy SEAL and I can hold my breath a long time or I'm capable of... It's almost like, I wonder if you feel this way, but I remember trying to learn
And it seemed so insurmountable. Like when the teacher was like, are you taking notes? I didn't understand what that was. I never could understand how to do that. I didn't know what notes looked like. When I saw people writing things down, I was like, what the fuck are they writing? That seems so insurmountable to me that to get a career in showbiz was equally as insurmountable.
I was like, well, it's just got to be as hard as taking notes. Like it's almost like... And I was like, well, everything's always been tough. I don't know why this is just as tough.
I mean, for me, the things that were tough were the things I just cannot do. Numbers and fucking chemistry. I mean, I'd be like, what? I don't know what in the world you're talking about. But it's funny. I couldn't remember the table of elements, but I knew like... As a kid, all the insignia that every paratrooper had in World War II or something, you know what I mean?
I was in like kindergarten at this place. I went with Amy Carter when Jimmy Carter was governor.
No way.
She was there as well. But they called my mom and one day they were like, you know, Chris is different than other kids. My mom goes, what do you mean? They're like, well, most of the kids can already like figure out the clock or tie their shoe and he can't do that. and he doesn't know his ABCs. And my mom goes, they said, but he does know a lot about Zulu warriors. So for me, it's the same thing.
Like the learning, someone asked me a question today and I was like, I've never not been inspired by something. You know what I mean? Boredom was the best thing. When everyone thought, go to your room, I'd be like, fuck yeah. You know what I mean? There's always a book. There's always a daydream.
There's always something that will spark my imagination or an interest or something, or I can put together disparate sort of things in a way other people wouldn't.
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Chapter 6: What are Chris Robinson's thoughts on drug culture in music?
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A long time. Over 25 years or something, I imagine. You were in New York for a while. I was in New York. The first check that we ever got in the Black Crowes, I moved to New York.
I've seen you a couple times in life. One time in Central Park. I think it was right around when cell phones came out. So it's got to be like...
2000 it's got to be 99 yeah i was i was in new york at that point i mean my buddy skateboarded by you and he's like oh dude you knew that is and oddly enough uh the first when i bought a guitar the very first song i ever learned how to play incorrectly was she talks to angels it was the very first song i learned how to play well the part seems easy but then the rest of it is not no no it's not that bad i just played it in the guy that you know in open two ridges and open e in that song
so it's an open e yeah so he tunes to open e so that's why it has a different timbre when you play it on a standard tuning it won't it won't really sound the same how can i a little in the weeds do you remember the first time hearing rich play that yeah of course i mean we I mean, we wrote that song and then just kind of had, it didn't really fit what we were, you know, doing.
But we were, I had moved out, but Rich was still at Mom and Dad's for a long time. But I would still be out there or whatever. How old were you? I mean, he's 16, 17, so I was 19, 20 maybe. Yeah. And yeah, of course I remember it because number one, I remember it because it was different. You know what I mean? And I was like, oh, what is, you know what I mean? So we're just sort of,
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Chapter 7: How does Chris Robinson connect with his fans during performances?
And we didn't have shit. We didn't have fucking electric bikes and boat. You know, we didn't have shit. We had sticks. We'd be in my cousin's house. It was like Lord of the Flies every time he walked out of the house. I remember my cousins lived out in another part of Atlanta and they had a bunch of woods in the back.
it's like quest for fire we'd like walk out there and you'd somehow every couple summers there'd be another group of kids you'd be like and i started throwing you'd have a rock fight you don't even know where they are Like, what was that? It was great. A rock fight. Yeah, like, my cousin Chip got hit in the face with a rock. It's over. You know what I mean?
He'd run home, and everyone's bleeding.
We had orange fights. We live in Florida, so you'd just go into an orange grove, and it would just... Getting hit by a grapefruit would light an eye up. I remember kids going, Jason Sullivan, I went over to his house and he was like, you want to go into the woods? And I was like, what's in the woods? He was like, I don't know.
And he just went into the woods and nothing good could have come out of it.
By the way, we are the kind of kids that would have put a rock in the grapefruit and thrown it.
Can I tell you what also is cool is like, so she talks to angels, I learn how to play. And then I discovered David Bowie through learning how to play changes on the guitar. And then you're like, who the fuck is this? And that was like the crazy part of our, now I say our generation, but like,
someone now goes uh have you heard of david bowie you're like i don't think so hold on and i just play it you go oh cool this i john noonan played it on the guitar for me and i learned it i had never heard the song then you hear the song you're like what the yeah of course and but but your generation was i always say i i because i think you're part of mine are you gen x Yeah, yeah.
I'm born in 66. I brought this up to Joe one time. We're the greatest generation that's ever lived. Now, they say the greatest generation was my grandmother's generation. They experienced everything. They got horse and buggy all the way to the internet, right? That's the craziest. But what our leap is, is we got our foot in that, and now we've got- Yeah, but you know what else they have?
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Chapter 8: What does Chris Robinson's new album 'A Pound of Feathers' signify for him?
The same guy that I'd go to your shows with was a huge Bruce Springsteen fan. He said, you've got to see Bruce. And I was like, okay. And I'd actually, when I say I'd, I went to that show and I said, he sang Born to Run? And he was like, yeah. I was like, well, I didn't know that. I figured it was like, I didn't know that. Born in the USA was such a Ronald Reagan anthem when I was a kid.
And something rubbed me wrong about Ronald Reagan. I appreciate him now as an adult. But when I was a kid, that anthem, that was the, it just wasn't the cool shit. And so, and it wasn't what I was into, but I'm giving him a, I'm listening to him now.
Yeah, I mean, he's, I mean, the real, the thing is, I mean, I'm teasing about Bruce Springsteen, but the thing about that is, is like when your music permeates people's lives, that, you know, When I did open for him, we did a few shows in Europe. My daughter maybe was four or five or whatever, and we were in Holland. Holland's the first place the Black Crows were big.
Our record took off in Holland. How convenient. Yeah, it was great. By the way, it was a lot different than it was amazing. But this is years later, and we go on stage, and I'm like, all right, you know. There's 60,000 people, all of them with their hands folded like this. And you finish the song and it's horrible. We do Hard to Handle. It's a big song. Nothing. It's a big song.
And afterwards, my daughter was like, Dad, do people usually not clap? I was like, this is great.
no yeah they always clap except for with bruce we have that in comedy there are there are fans of comedy and then there are fans of the artist like there are there are comics that i know who they're and then there's then there's then there's even bigger than that is there's fans of the thing yeah they're not even like they're not even really comedy fans they want to go to the thing we're going out because the thing that's big that year
like and and they those comics sell tickets to people that don't even really understand comedy they go he he's the thing i'm going to the thing this year and then then there's guys that like their fans do not like comedy they're like that guy yeah and and oddly enough those fans of there's like a few of those guys those fans fight with each other they don't like each other that's great and they're all their guys are pretty similar
yeah pretty the same but they all hate each other and then you have like what rogan did was he introduced us to a big a group of fans of comedy and so i feel like when i the difference is
are bruce fans and then there's like music fans true true and there's people that go like i listened to everything growing up and i and then and then i found a bunch of great bands and then there's people that go no bruce is the guy yeah and you're like okay i mean my tastes have just always been different you know what i mean like i
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