How to Solve the Climate Crisis – Johan Rockström on Planetary Boundaries & the Path Forward (015)

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My guest today is Johan Rockström – one of the world’s leading climate scientists and the co-creator of the ‘planetary boundaries’ framework. His work is the scientific foundation for much of the new economic thinking I've explored on this show.We recorded this conversation at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, and our discussion covers why the climate crisis is no longer a purely environmental or moral issue but a question of security, resilience, and prosperity. We also dive into the nine planetary boundaries – what they are, how many we've breached – and the ecological tipping points we are approaching within the earth system. We end with a discussion of the path forward, including needed transformations across our energy and food systems – and how some countries are starting to lead the way toward a better future.You can support the Better Future podcast by becoming a paid subscriber on Substack:https://betterfuturemedia.substack.com/__Johan references the second EAT-Lancet Commission report, which found that the way we produce and consume food is now the single largest cause of breaching planetary boundaries: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(25)01201-2/abstractHe also references this Nature paper on the combined role of climate change and deforestation in pushing the Amazon rainforest across a potential tipping point: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10456-0At the end of our conversation, we discuss the Second Conference for the Just Transition Away from Fossil Fuels, which is happening next year in Tuvalu: https://transitionawayconference.com/__Follow Johan Rockström:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-rockstr%C3%B6m-325551331/X: https://x.com/@jrockstromFollow the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PotsdamInstituteLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pik-potsdam-institute-for-climate-impact-research/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pik_klimaX: https://x.com/PIK_ClimateSubscribe to the Better Future podcast on your preferred platform:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@michaelmezzSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/16K0dkbk35q0mTslKJJ7z0Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-future-with-michael-mezz/id1823942833Pocket Casts: https://pca.st/4mgozhfvFollow Michael on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michael__mezz/Follow the Better Future Podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/betterfuturepod/__00:00 Ecological overshoot – but there is a path forward00:49 Introducing Johan Rockström01:37 Narrative shift: climate is becoming a security issue06:44 Planetary boundaries, explained10:46 The Great Acceleration & the Anthropocene13:35 7 of 9 boundaries exceeded but it’s not too late22:20 Tipping points explained (with examples)28:12 Debunking climate misinformation34:41 What we need to do: Innovate within constraints37:56 Energy transition & food system transition42:01 The political economy of solving the climate crisis44:44 The path forward: Building coalitions of the willing51:59 Conclusion__Host/Creator: Michael MezzatestaGuest: Johan RockströmEditor: Nuria SalgadoDesigner: Amea WadsworthThanks for watching episode 015. Stay tuned for more!

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