Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What recent changes in AI billing practices are causing concern?
OpenAI, broken business as well, but there's no real solution here. It's done. And I think the next three months are going to be illuminating and probably feature pullback across a ton of organizations as they ask questions they should have been asking since fucking 2023. It's insane. I was mad.
I would, as I sound completely insane myself, as I sound completely crazed, but people were calling me crazy in 2024 being like, yeah, you know, when businesses pay the real cost, they're not gonna, people were acting like I was a fucking lunatic. Well, who's crazy now? Would a crazy person laugh like this? Anyway, There are no real solutions here, though. Folks, there are no real solutions.
While somebody theoretically could move their workloads to DeepSeek or a cheaper model, it's unlikely that there are inference providers that can support that much traffic or even provide that much stability. You have to remember, a big organization is putting a lot more pressure on DeepSeek than, say, a casual coder, someone who's just running their own GPU.
And you have to do far more than just turn on GPUs. You actually have to build for an organization that would be theoretically spending millions. A massive inference stack that cannot crap out. It's one of the reasons people pay Anthropic and OpenAI, even though Anthropic's barely stable.
I also don't have any substantive proof that DeepSeek V4 or other models can replace an Opus or Codex model, even if they are dramatically cheaper.
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Chapter 3: How are companies currently measuring AI ROI?
We have no proof of this, and despite the conversation, no one's doing it. Not heard it. Not heard anyone say this. Also, in the end, if nobody can measure the ROI of AI in general, why would they spend anything?
Now, AI boosters are currently either completely ignoring this subject, which is what's happening with the obvious ones, or they're going to answer by saying that we're in the early days and that there are weekly breakthroughs that will solve these problems. Been a lot of fucking weeks so far. I mean, a lot of them. What, like 400 of them? 450 coming up in 500 weeks?
But this is a problem that needed to be solved yesterday, and neither Anthropic nor OpenAI has an answer for bringing down costs, let alone those of their customers, even if they were magically profitable overnight. Even if they were, they're not. They're not profitable in inference. Their customers are spending too much money. Their customers do not have cost control.
That makes it very hard to budget for how much you'll spend. Basic business stuff. Basic stuff. I'm not innovative in my thinking here. You know, it's like that tweet that was like, yeah, walking around a college campus, looking into a business school class, and it's like, profit is revenue minus costs.
It really is that, except these people have been ignoring that for years and making people feel stupid for asking those questions. I also must be clear that these companies cannot slow down. Anthropic and OpenAI project to have over $350 billion in combined annual revenue by 2030, and they're going to need it because between them they've made over $1.1 trillion in compute commitments.
If their revenue growth is entirely based on dimwitted executives allowing a no-IT-loads-refused compute dump for no apparent return on investment, that is not a stable, sustainable, or even a growth business. It's a grift targeting a society-wide executive ignorance of production itself. I look forward to telling you more about it next week. I've had a lot of fun this week.
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Chapter 4: What challenges do businesses face in justifying AI costs?
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Chapter 5: Why are traditional metrics failing to capture AI's effectiveness?
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