Supersluts of History: Hollywood's Marlene Dietrich

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What makes Marlene Dietrich a unique figure in Hollywood history?

Kate Lister 0:00
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Kate Lister 0:45
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Kate Lister 1:14
Welcome to Winter Garden 1929, a cabaret club in Berlin where beneath the chandeliers and clouds of cigarette smoke, artists and dancers and women in tuxedos are sipping champagne at tables long into the night. Backstage, a young actress called Marlene Dietrich is preparing for her performance and learning just how powerful it is to combine sex, style and mystery. Soon enough, Marlena will take her vibrant sense of sexuality to Hollywood and Germany will be lost to the Nazis. But for now, the drinks keep flowing and the jazz plays on. But what are you waiting for? Come on, it's your round.
Kate Lister 2:01
Hello and welcome back to Patricks Sheets, the history of sex, scandal and society with me, Kate Lister. Today's episode is the fourth and final episode in our limited series, which celebrates and explores the so-called super sluts of history. Who called them that, Kate? Well, we did. Actually, we did. But, but, it was an accusation made at the time and by many, many other people since. And we want to know, is it a reputation well-deserved or one fiercely resisted? Were they happy to be defined by their sexuality or thoroughly pissed off by it? And frankly, we have saved the best to last. From her time as a cabaret performer in Interwar Berlin to taking Hollywood by storm with her unique and unapologetic love of sex, it is, of course, the one, the only, the utterly fabulous Marlena Dietrich.
Kate Lister 3:02
To take us back to this awesome woman, we're joined once again by the fantastic Mick LaSalle, film critic and author of books including Complicated Women, Sex and Power in Pre-Code Hollywood. Right, tuxedos at the ready, let's do this.
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Kate Lister 3:21
Well, hello and welcome back to Betwixt the Sheets. It's only Mick LaSalle. How are you doing?
Mick LaSalle 3:28
I'm doing great. How about you?
Kate Lister 3:30
Oh, fabulous. We had so much fun talking about Fatty Arbuckle the last time. We had to invite you on again.
Mick LaSalle 3:36
Oh, that's great. Thank you. It's good to be here.
Kate Lister 3:38
And we're here to talk about, well, she's just a walking one woman scandal, really, aren't we? Marlene Dietrich.
Mick LaSalle 3:46
Yeah, yeah. She's really something. She's sort of like the female Lloyd Byron. She had sex with everybody.
Kate Lister 3:55
She had sex with everybody. And that's like, wow. Wow. So this is for our latest installment in our little mini series of Super Sluts Throughout History, where we're basically asking, did the person who was accused of such promiscuity deserve the reputation and did they enjoy it?
Mick LaSalle 4:13
Yes and yes. Those are the answers. Yeah.
Kate Lister 4:17
Well, thanks for coming on Betwixt the Sheets.
Mick LaSalle 4:19
Yeah, that's it.
Kate Lister 4:24
We're done. But she did.
Mick LaSalle 4:25
Yeah, she did. She did. She was, I mean, she was amazing. She... She was apparently hitting on everybody. She liked men.

How did Dietrich's early life influence her career and sexuality?

Mick LaSalle 4:37
She liked women. It's hard to say which she liked better. She just liked everybody. My favorite, I don't know if people in Britain know the name, but I found that she had sex with Adlai Stevenson.

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