In this episode, host Matt Klein sits down with Kelsey Hightower, former distinguished engineer and open source legend, to unpack what AI is doing to software development. Kelsey shares his framework for evaluating new technology: start with skepticism, move to curiosity, and earn optimism through evidence. He applies that lens to today's LLMs – acknowledging real productivity gains, while questioning whether “writing more code than ever” actually leads to better software, and who really owns the foundation these models are built on.The conversation goes beyond hype: what AI means for junior engineers trying to break in, mid-career developers facing quiet layoffs, and where salaries are heading over the next five years. Kelsey argues that communication is a core technical skill, and that his biggest concern about AI isn't the technology itself, but the power structure around it. He closes on cautious optimism: the future of intent-based APIs, open source and the developer community that built the foundation.

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