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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hi, I'm Hannah. And I'm Sarah. And this is Big Small Talk.
This is the podcast where we try to cover the entirety of the news cycle, from the serious to the frivolous, all in one place. Because loving pop culture doesn't mean you don't understand politics. And today we're going to be talking about the anti-abortion activist, Dua Lipa and Callum Turner, the Teal Party, Cynthia Erivo, Pope Leo on AI, and Patagonia versus Patagonia.
But before we begin today's episode, we would like to start by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which we're recording today, the Gadigal people, and pay our respect to Elders past and present. But before we get into the actual news, Hannah, what is your personal headline this week? Do you want to start with the fact that we can't stop wearing the same clothes?
Well, I don't want to offend you with that. Who wore it better? We're playing it every week. Hannah and I keep coming into studio wearing kind of the exact same fit. Like last week it was the green jacket, this week it's the red jumper. The time before that was the white collared shirts. Wow.
Sorry, I forgot about that.
Yeah. It's been like four or five times recently. But I think it's because we have the same. We have the exact same coloring. We have the same coloring. So, of course, we're going to gravitate towards similar. Have you had your colors done? No, have you?
No, but I feel like we know our covers. We're like, why would I pay for that? I watch what Sarah's wearing, I go, yeah, same.
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Chapter 2: What sparked the controversy involving an anti-abortion activist's photo?
If one of us did it, it would probably cover us.
Yeah, you're probably looking at me one day going, that doesn't really work on her, so I'm not going to try that.
And you're going, maybe I could pull off purple.
I actually do think the darker purple does work quite well.
I do think reds, greens, purple, anyway, no one cares.
No one cares. I actually do have a bit of a different personal headline for you because I realised my week was boring. So I was thinking about something to bring up and I found something to raise. Now, people are going to say, why are you still on Spotify or listening to Spotify? Just leave me be. I like my data. I like my algorithmic functions that Spotify gives me.
And I want to talk about their feature that I've been playing with a bit. You know they have the disco ball right now as their logo. Yeah, you know they came out and said it's just going to be temporary. Yeah, I thought it was just to commemorate their anniversary or something. I didn't hate it. Isn't that crazy? I kind of liked it.
I liked the whole debate about like stop being minimalist for a moment. Exactly. Yeah. Let's be a bit maximalist. Also, I just think people don't like change. Yeah.
pensive this morning. Anyway, they did this like your all time top songs feature, right? Which feels a bit like the Spotify rap to the end of the year, but they're trying to sort of GS up halfway through the year to get some exciting extra kind of algorithmic function.
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Chapter 3: What details emerged about Dua Lipa and Callum Turner's wedding?
Thank You, Next. Maybe It's My First Time, Meg Mac. Say You Love Me, Jessie Ware, one of the best songs. My Tears Ricochet.
Yeah, we have issues. I mean, I was thinking My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys is 347 for me. Shit came out like less than two years ago. I'm listening to it once every two days. Fuck.
To be honest, Cardigan being top five is fucking crazy. Fucking crazy. It's like...
Jesus. Some of these, like most of these do make sense to me. I do love music data as a big music listener. And I just thought I want to know if other people are tracking at that level of like, do you have a song? Does anyone have a song that's like a thousand listens?
Yeah, I want to know what people's like highest, highest song is. Wait, what was your first song ever streamed?
Oh, God. Part of me, Katy Perry.
Oh, that's really cute. Is it?
I've had my Spotify account for 12 years, I think.
Yeah. It was yours. If I was ever questioning if maybe I was a narcissist, my first stream song is Sarah Smiles back at the disc. Sorry. Did I just get on Spotify and immediately look up my own? Like however old I would have been. It's really funny actually. Oh, great stuff.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the proposed Teal Party in Australia?
I get in here racing, ready to make you giggle. And you make yourself giggle with a narcissist joke.
Another box checked on the DSM. We did not try and make each other laugh this morning. We like gave each other a therapy session. That's true.
That's always what happened. It's very true.
Anyway, what's your personal highlight of the week? Not much. I went to Hunter Valley this weekend and went on a wine tasting tour. Beautiful. For a friend's birthday. And it was lovely. But I'll tell you what, two weekends in a row really takes it out of you.
Yeah.
Two weekends away in a row. It's my life.
It's so hard. Hey, everyone listening, please keep Sarah in your thoughts and prayers. Please pick up on the sarcastic tone. She is literally struggling through two weekends away.
She has to go to work and everything this week, even though she's so tired.
And her eyes are really dry. My eyes are really dry.
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Chapter 5: What are the broader implications of the discussions surrounding the Teal Party and independents?
And Joanna was the anti-choice sort of perspective on abortion, reproductive rights, and I was the pro-choice side of that part of the kind of discussion in the episode.
Because you'd had a huge reception to being open about having an abortion yourself.
Yes, yeah. And I feel like I'm a confident person to speak on this issue. It was a very nerve-wracking experience still. I had quite a nice interaction, to be completely honest, with Dr Howe during the filming of that. She came and said hello to me, gave me her phone number, was very pleasant to speak to.
And then in the months afterwards, I started to see content being created where constantly my name was being pushed by her, I think to gain traction on her videos.
Chapter 6: Why is Cynthia Erivo stepping back from discussions about Wicked?
Yeah. And it became... pretty awful to deal with. And so I... Putting it lightly. Yeah. I mean, really awful stuff. And so I blocked her on all of my accounts. And then many people also might remember at the end of last year, I published a piece that was very contentiously received by parts of the media and different sort of right-wing activists on Charlie Cook's assassination.
And Joanna started a petition personally against me. And I don't know if it's real, actually, or an authentic petition, but, like, widely campaigned against me. And it has something like 20,000 signatures, allegedly.
Yeah. She made so many videos. It was like, wake up daily, make a video about you. I also didn't see the videos. No, I've also blocked her since.
Oh.
Well, for ages now. So when this came up, when the story came up, I was like, oh, Joanna.
In fact, I had to unblock her to go and see what was happening to understand the context of this story before re-blocking her. Yeah. So Joanna had a cool 15 minutes with me available to her yesterday. But anyway, let's explain what happened. So we know she's a professor of law.
We also know that Joanna Howe has been banned from South Australian Parliament after allegations of threatening and intimidating tactics being used. She is the person that's behind many of the bills being pushed by conservative politicians in recent years to wind back reproductive rights.
You've likely seen her in the media before because she is, you know, very much on podcasts, in the media, and you'll see lots of reporting recently from The Guardian on her as well, which has been fantastic coverage.
But to talk about this sugar gliders post, Joanna posted an image that was sent to her by what she believed to be kind of a supporter as part of a campaign to get people attending a rally that's being held outside New South Wales Parliament this afternoon, so Tuesday as we're recording. The image says, ''Rally for Emma and Ruth.''
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Chapter 7: How is Pope Leo addressing the ethical implications of AI?
How is this healthcare? How is this pro-women? How is this anything other than cold-blooded, brutal murder? These two twins, they were there together from the moment of conception, and they should be around right now, but they're not. And we can't sit idly by. I can't end this alone. I...
need you guys this is not something that is going to be easy to end because of the vested interest in killing these children and lying to these women and so i need you on june 2nd outside the new south wales parliament i'm renaming it this is not the sydney rally for life this is the rally for emma and ruth two little twin girls who never got to live you aren't here today and the 88 000 other australian babies just like them they have no voice no hands and feet
Nothing other than us, so nothing is more important. I don't care what you've got on. We have to fight for these babies and we have to end this.
So she dedicates a rally to them. Yes, and all the posters are using this image that was sent to her. Now, there was an incredible exclusive from The Guardian last week by Tori Shepard, who uncovered the reality behind this image. Basically, The Guardian went and commissioned a digital forensics expert to review this picture.
And what their analysis found is that Joanna Howe had posted was almost certainly from a TikTok video that was posted a few months ago, so January of this year, and it was about rescuing newborn sugar gliders. And that video was viewed, I think, about 24 million times.
What the expert concluded, I'm reading straight from the piece, is that there was an extremely low chance that the image was of embryos, the analysis found, as the shape, head proportion and other traits were characteristics of marsupials, not humans. Okay, so then what happened to the rally?
Okay, so this rally is supposed to be happening this afternoon outside of Parliament House, so in Sydney. And Joanna has also announced that former Deputy Prime Minister, former Nationals leader and current One Nation MP, Barnaby Joyce, will be speaking at the rally. And it claims to be about speaking for the unborn. Now, when you look at the promo for the rally, that's a lot of male speakers.
There's a pastor, a bishop, there's the founder of Christian Lives Matter, and then, of course, there's Barnaby Joyce. What a lineup. Yeah. It is just realistically a religious lineup, effectively. And Barnaby Joyce is the member for New England, so a regional area of New South Wales. Yep. What did Joanna say? So on the 28th of May, The Guardian also published a follow-up story.
The emailed image may have been a scam, but she said this was an insignificant detail. So here's her responding to this allegation now.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of Patagonia's lawsuit against drag queen Pattie Gonia?
Covers Facebook, Instagram threads, WhatsApp. You can just go and look at Meta ad spend to find out how much people are contributing, but almost $100,000 in the space of a month. to push out this messaging.
When we think of all the campaigns that run in these right-wing circles and why you're seeing it so much, it's because there are sophisticated campaigns being run like this and there's a lot of money behind them. And that piece also highlights that she outspent BHP in that time. She was only outspent by Greenpeace and UNICEF, actually. So
She didn't respond to questions from Indeli that piece reads as well, but I just wanted to highlight that this is the kind of power of the campaign that Joanna Howe is running. And a sort of note I wanted to end on here is that there are a lot of bills being pushed in Queensland, New South Wales and South Australia right now to restrict abortion access to wind back reproductive rights.
In Queensland, there's a bill proposing restrictions to medical abortion tablets. In New South Wales, there's a bill supposedly claiming to be banning abortion for the purposes of sex selection. So Joanna is also claiming that women are terminating pregnancies when they find out that the sex of the child is female. And that's not true. There is no evidence to suggest that.
And it also results in racial profiling of women who may be of specific religions or faiths that would prefer to have male children. Claims there that are incredibly loaded. And there was a great piece published in Women's Agenda by Dr. Amanda Conn, who is a Greens MP in New South Wales State Parliament. And the piece is called The Fight for Abortion Rights in Australia is Far From Over.
And I would highly recommend going and reading that piece because Amanda, as a doctor as well, highlights all of this legislation, actually speaks to kind of the framework, the evidence, the misinformation here. And I just thought it was a really great way to understand what's happening. So if you want to do some further reading, absolutely go to Amanda's piece.
I just want to finish on the fact that, you know, the rise of One Nation in Australia right now means that we are going to be increasingly seeing rhetoric that is anti-choice about, you know, women's healthcare is going to be under threat and there's going to be a fear campaign.
And as women, we are going to be the ones that are going to have to come out and fight again for our rights to make decisions about our own bodies. And this conversation is going to get more volatile. Like I am prepared for that.
And I know it's going to be centre of the national conversation as we head towards the next federal election, especially with people like Barnaby Joyce speaking at these rallies. So I just want to say like it is time again, unfortunately, to have to get vocal about this because our rights are under threat.
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