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Chapter 1: What are the Enhanced Games and how do they differ from the Olympics?
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Hi, I'm Hannah. And I'm Sarah. And this is Big Small Talk.
This is the podcast where we try and cover the entirety of the news cycle, from serious to the frivolous, all in one place. Because loving pop culture doesn't mean you don't understand politics. And today we're going to be talking about The Flotilla, The Enhanced Games, Bezos Goes Woke, Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi, and Kylie Minogue.
But before we begin today's episode, we would like to start by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which we're recording today, the Gadigal people, and pay our respect to elders past and present.
Before we get into the actual news, Hannah, what is your personal headline this week?
Oh, well, it's pretty exciting. I've seen the notes on what yours is and it's a lot better than mine. I'm moving house. So like I'm kind of just currently living in this. That's stressful. It is a bit stressful. It's going to be great. Had a big weekend. I did two keynotes last week and I went into these different industry conferences and met like all these young planners.
So like people who plan cities. And the next day I went and spoke to 800 or 900 GPs who own practices around the country and So like my week, last week and this week, has just been speaking to large groups of people in industries that I'm trying to understand the politics of and like getting into the environment and just like having a big chat with like a large industry of people. Wow.
I've loved it. That's amazing. I don't really talk about doing keynotes very often, but I always find it interesting when I get asked, I kind of get on the briefing call with the teams behind the conferences and I go... I'm not sure why you've chosen me.
And often it's, you know, this is a political space and we want people to have healthier conversations about, you know, combating misinformation and speaking about politics in healthy ways. And, you know, not me politicising with my own views, but kind of talking about the media and politics and how influence is changing, how public debate is changing and how they can be involved.
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Chapter 2: What controversies surround the Enhanced Games and their investors?
A lot of this stuff we don't actually have very long-term testing on, so I don't think you can with your full chest say this is safe. But I do think it's interesting looking at what the founders justify this with, like what their main points boil down to.
Chapter 3: What happened to the Australian activists in the Global Sumud Flotilla?
I think one of their main points is that doping is an inevitable progression of the sport. The other thing the founders say is that athletes should be free to choose to do what they want with their bodies. The third point is that some athletes are already doing it.
There is a favorite study that is cited by D'Souza who claims 40% or potentially more of elite athletes already use PEDs, even though only about 2% get caught. Also, the fact that some are already approved by the Olympics for some athletes because of genuine health reasoning. That is less than 1%, though. And then the fourth main point they like to drive home is that like aging is a disease.
And I think the conversation did a really good job at reframing that as well in their argument around, especially around bodily autonomy, because it's not really insane levels of choice if you are deciding which drugs they use and how. And also offering participants hundreds of thousands of dollars to be part of it. Nonetheless, the games are here. They have started.
It's invite only to attend these games. So there was no tickets to the general public, only to media and like influencers, content creators or other athletes. There is a guy, Brian Johnson, he's the guy that says he wants to live forever. He said this when he was asked why he was there.
Why the heck are you at the Enhance Games, a place that people are allowed to take PEDs, things like steroids and peptides?
Yeah, career change. Like, I'm all in now. I'm going to start taking Enhance drugs.
Are you going bodybuilding?
I mean, actually, it'd be kind of fun. It'd be a fun experiment. No, I'm here because what the Enhanced Games is doing is very similar to what I've been doing, which is they are pushing the boundaries of what humans can do. So my whole goal is humans have the right to exist and to not die. And here they're saying athletes have the ability to push the frontiers of performance.
And the way they're doing that is they say we're going to do 935 biomarkers. We're going to look at scientific evidence, have medical oversight, and then look at the data. So they're basically doing the same science experiment.
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Chapter 4: How did the Israeli forces respond to the flotilla's humanitarian mission?
Yeah. Yes. Anyway. I'm with you.
Australians who were part of the global Samud flotilla faced abuse at the hands of Israel's national security minister. Now they've returned home. Okay, this has been a massive story over the last week. I think it's not got enough government response or media coverage, but it really is one of the sort of largest broadcasting conversations globally ever.
Now, 11 Australians were part of this flotilla, which was actually consisted of, I think, 50 vessels carrying 428 people. Now, they were, as all the flotilla movements have been, to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza to try and break Israel's illegal blockade, essentially.
The Australians on board were Niamh O'Connor, Sam Warraper-Watson, Annie Mokotau, Isla Lamont, Juliette Lamont, Surya McEwen, Zax Gofield, Dr. Bianca Pullman-Webb, Gemma O'Toole, Violet Coco and Helen O'Sullivan. I know some of those names. This is an incredible group of diverse advocates who work in different spaces. But last Monday...
the flotilla was intercepted by Israeli forces in international waters. And by Wednesday, what we knew was that they'd been detained by Israeli defence forces. And we didn't really have an update on their welfare, their safety, what was happening. And so it was quite a scary couple of days there.
What I want to do first off is play a grab from Sarah Ferguson's interview on 7.30 last night with Neve O'Connor.
How did the Israeli forces behave towards you when you were first intercepted? So during our first interception, we, as I was on a motorboat with the tactical ship, were surrounded comprehensively with Zodiacs, which is a speedboat. We didn't follow their first instruction of moving down to the bow and they threatened to shoot us.
I think I turned to my friend in shock and she had two green lasers here and some on her chest. So even though, for all accounts, it was somewhat of a light interception, there was violence throughout. Some of my crewmates were thrown around behind me.
And then when we were processed onto their prison boat, they were, because the cameras were there, a lot kinder to me as I was the first boat being processed. The further boats that came through and the more people that came through were treated with a lot more escalated violence.
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Chapter 5: Are Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi actually dating?
I'm going to need more.
sure there's people listening to this going agreed what is it what is it what is it um no it's like almost like a road blush stick oh yeah but make it sort of like bronzer and highlighter okay together i believe i have those from mecca at mecca i would love yeah but make it like it's like a different shape i don't know it's all the same really um but it looks like opicola to me Opicola? Opicola.
People are going to be Googling this on this episode. And also, I just think there's a lot of back and forth about celebrity beauty lines. And if we need another one, I will say she's an original YouTuber and she's an original beauty vlog fashion YouTuber from like way back in the day. She really was sort of on the frontier of YouTube.
So I will say I give her a free pass for that because she kind of was like, this does make sense for her in that way. If you're wondering who she is, the context is, of course, yes, her mom was Hollywood actress Lori Loughlin and her dad is also a famous fashion designer.
And they were among those jailed for being part of the multi-million dollar scheme to get their kids into Ivy League schools like Yale and Stanford. They really kicked off the Nepo baby conversation. With that.
So it never existed before.
We weren't aware of them.
It was kind of the new generation of how it's being done, basically.
Well, I don't think we knew. It just was so much privilege. Like there was just so, it just was everything people were like, no, actually, that's where I draw the line. Like that, fuck off for that. And fair enough. She actually did do a pretty good interview, though, on Red Table Talk. Just interesting. Which is like with like Jada Pinkett Smith. I do know this. Yeah.
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Chapter 6: What insights did Jeff Bezos share in his recent interview?
And the reviews have been insane. And also just as a good reminder, Kylie Minogue has sold more than 80 million records. She has more than 5 billion listens. She's won 18 ARIA Awards and two Grammys. Wow. And I think with Kylie... Obviously spinning around and, like, can't get you out of my head, iconic. But she was before our time in a way.
So I think it's really great in this doco to be able to go back right to the start of her career and it starts with, like, her time on Neighbours and just, like, what a big deal that was. Like, I know we've spoken about it and we know that, but even just, like, looking especially in the UK at that, like, absolute peak, she starred alongside her first love, Jason Donovan, in real life on...
on the show and the episode of their wedding on the show broke viewership records in the UK. It was massive. There was 24 million people tuning in daily for Neighbours.
It's fascinating what Australian stories make it big in the UK. Like why is it maths and Neighbours?
Like of course it is but it's really interesting. It's so funny. But she moved on to then date in excess frontman Michael Hutchence. In the series, she labeled him my person and admitted that she spent the rest of her life looking for a love like theirs. It was so sad. She said, you go on and live your lives, but it was definitely an amazing point in time.
And I've probably been looking for something like that ever since. And I haven't got it. For context, those two dated for two years between 1989 and 1991. And then he died six years later in 1997. Okay. She got pretty emotional throughout the series, saying that it may feel disproportionate, the amount of emotion she has and the memories for that time.
But she just felt so protected and valued by him and that she always feels him with her, even if that's crazy to say. And that she met him also when she was only 21 years old. So it was like a very pivotal, impressionable time in her life. I did not realize she was that young when they were together. She was so young. So young when she was so famous.
She also spoke about the weight of criticisms that she's faced so young in her, like, transition into music. Like, there was the singing budgie and, like, all of those sort of, like, criticisms that were really awful. And, like, the journey she went on to find her style and her voice, like, being loved by the queer community and, like, championed by them.
And then how at the top of her game, and she was about to headline Glastonbury, And she received a cancer diagnosis. And I don't know if you remember hearing about this, but Coldplay then dedicated Fix You to her at Glastonbury and the media just hounded her.
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