The Anthropology of Cybersecurity with George Kamide | Exploring the Intersection of Tech, Culture, and Food Systems
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Welcome back to another episode of the Bites and Bytes podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Demmer-Enville, and today I'm excited to be joined by the extraordinary George Kamidi, co-founder of Mind Over Cyber and co-host of Bare Knuckles and Brass Tacks. George brings a unique combination of expertise in both anthropology and cybersecurity, and today we'll be exploring the human factors, cultural dynamics, and complexities of the global food supply chain. A special note before we begin, I want to acknowledge something important. This episode was recorded before the recent updates on the avian flu and listeria outbreak linked to deli meat incidents. I wish to extend my thoughts to those affected and be sensitive to everyone working through these crises. Thank you so much. I hope you enjoy my conversation with George. Let's get started.
It's finally happening. I have George K. We'll get into who George K. is in a second. I want you to start with your favorite food and your favorite food memory, because it's literally my favorite question I ask everybody.
Oh, wow. Yes. First, I am very excited to be here. I know we've been talking about it for a while. Favorite food. Oh, okay. I'm going to go with tacos first. There's so many I could pick, but tacos were the key ingredient into getting my kids to try new things. If I could get it into a taco, they would eat it, and now they love tacos, and they are on the hunt for taco trucks, and they have a very discerning palate for their age, so I'm going to say tacos. Tacos. Favorite food memory. My family is from Brazil, and so there is a traditional Brazilian dish called feijoada, which is black beans that is stewed over very low heat for a very long time. Like many cultural foods that are used to typify a country, let's say the pastas of Italy or the noodles of China, the paella of Spain, feijoada was poor people's food, more specifically slave food. It was basically whatever meat scraps were thrown to the slaves, they would put in this pot. And because they're working long hours, you know, somebody was watching it for a long period of time.
But I had it a lot growing up. It was delicious. And so my favorite food memory is the first time I went back to Brazil since we had immigrated to the States. Being able to locate this fish water that was being cooked out in this field in a gigantic, like the biggest pot I have ever seen in my life. And I located it by smell alone. Like it was just sort of like a cartoon, like drifting on the vapor of the hot. So it was just felt like a very full circle moment from growing up with it as a kid and being told stories about Brazil. And then finally being able to go back to Brazil for the first time and turns out that food was the connector.
It always is a connector for sure. I feel like just about every culture has some type of like rice and beans and meat.
Yeah. When you think about paella, it's like the farmers were like, what do you have? I got these clams. What do you have? I just like throw it in a giant pot. It's a very collaborative food for sure.
And I think that is some of the coolest thing because it's about community at that point, right? It's about what you can get in the local community and it binds people together differently. And I've also had something similar experience-wise when I was in Puerto Rico. I was there on an outreach trip and Rice Campoya and Beans, it was the most delicious thing I've ever had in my life because it stewed for, I don't know, 12 hours or something like that. Yes, yeah. But it was more than that because it was about the people who were serving it to me. You know, I knew that they had given their time and their money that they didn't have that much to give to do this. I was actually expecting Georgie to say something about Japanese food or I was not expecting that at all.
Yeah, that is true. I mean, there's a lot. See, that was why it was going to be hard. It was either going to have to be Brazil, Latin America or Japan. So I went with the first thing that came to mind. I will say I was an anthropology major and the two cultural modes that are saturated, we say saturated with the most meaning, are food and sex.
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