Rejuvenated Blue Jays + The Fourth Out with Kevin Pillar & Bobby Valentine
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What is the “fourth out” rule and why did it cause controversy in the Blue Jays‑Red Sox game?
All right, welcome back to Blair and Barker on Sportsnet 590, the fan of Sportsnet. Hey, I want to give a quick shout-out to a friend of the show, a friend of both of us, friend of the show, and a real good Blue Jays fan, Cheryl Fullerton. You've seen some of the bobbleheads she's made for us. If you spend any time around the Rogers Center, you're familiar with Cheryl. I think her and her partner, I think, have been to, like, A lot. 80 games this year. That's crazy. If you saw the series, and I believe it was in Boston, I think it was Cheryl who was holding up the sign that said, thank you, Kevin, for Kevin Gossman. So she is currently in Mount Sinai waiting knee surgery. Oh, yeah. Plates, screws, tibia surgery, I think. Oh, we're praying for you. So, Cheryl, we're thinking of you. Yeah, we're praying for you. And get well soon. Yeah. And, yeah. Who knows? You come out. Jay's...
He's going to be in a playoff spot. Wow, you said it. I did, didn't I? Anyhow, get well soon, Cheryl. Kevin Pillar joins us. He's host of Bluebird Territory, two of the majors, and, of course, Blue Jays central analyst. How are you doing, Mr. Pillar? Hey, buddy. I'm doing great. How are you guys doing? Doing well. You ever heard of the fourth out, my friend? The fourth out? Are we referring to last night? Yeah.
No, but I was thinking, are they going to ask me about that? And obviously it's news all over the game. And I got some interesting takes on it. I mean, I think it sets precedent in a stadium that if you are trying to kind of manipulate the scoreboard, I think that's one component of it. And then the other one is players are also responsible to know how many outs there are on the bases. And I think given kind of the depth of that fly ball, I think they're kind of just making the assumption that the runner would have tagged. It's a tough spot to be in. you know, from Major League Baseball. But I think potentially they got the call right. But I think if you're a Blue Jays fan and obviously if you're John Snyder and the staff and the players, you have every right to be upset. Yeah, I, you know, Kevin and I were talking with this. I just I said, I want to know how this rule came out.
How did they come up with it? Did somebody stay in a meeting? You know what we should do? In case this happens and this happens and this happens and this happens and this happens and these guys get off the field, we should put this rule in. Yeah, I just want to know why, and I said this to Jeff, Kevin, I want to know why a guy can score without tagging up from a base.
That's mind boggling to me. I think the other, I think the other part of it, they could have maybe just sent the runners back to the base too, because he didn't tag, but I think, I don't know. Did they actually come out with like the rule in the rule book? Like what portion of it you haven't seen it yet? Cause that would be the interesting thing to see is if it's actually in the rule book or that phone call to New York was like, Oh, we don't have an answer for this. Yeah. It's going to be a rule enforced now, but I think that's kind of what they're operating under the assumption that if they would have known how many outs there were, the runner at third base would have tagged. The guy at first base probably wouldn't have been running on the pitch, but that's a lot to assume on a play. I could also see an argument where they send everyone back to the original bases and they go, you know what, that was an error on the scoreboard. But once again, players are responsible for knowing how many outs
Outs there are. I can understand the count kind of gets messed up every once in a while. You kind of lose sight of that within that bat. And there's many times that it's wrong on the scoreboard, and maybe it takes a pitch or two for the umpire to kind of notify the scoreboard operator that it's wrong. But the outs is a thing that all players and all staff should know at all times. Well said. And if there is a confusion about it,
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the “fourth out” rule and why did it cause controversy in the Blue Jays‑Red Sox game?
0:10–5:50
2
How does Dylan Cease’s unique delivery give him an advantage against right‑handed hitters?
5:50–11:45
3
Did the trade‑deadline moves improve the Jays’ roster and clubhouse chemistry?
11:45–17:53
4
Why is Nathan Lucas considered one of the best defensive outfielders in the league?
17:53–24:19
5
What offseason advice should Vladimir Guerrero Jr. focus on to boost his offensive production?
24:19–30:25
6
How did Bobby Valentine use the fourth‑out rule while managing in Japan?
30:25–36:43
7
Why are some pitchers allowed to pitch with part of their foot off the rubber, and how does it affect hitters?
36:43–43:32
8
What impact will Jose Soriano have on the Blue Jays’ pitching staff this season?
43:32–49:16
Speakers
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